How plausible do we find John Terry's defense?

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That he was only repeating words Anton Ferdinand has accused him of saying.

I can't imagine saying those words ever. I'd be very upset to be accused of saying them, but I wouldn't repeat them in my denial, but then I'm not John Terry....

I will!

I don't blame you, Ironman. :(
I agree with your free speech points.
Thanks for the in-court accounts. I feel like I understand this case a lot better for that.

Ironman seeing as you believe in free speech why the heck are you complaining?!

Seeing as you believe in free speech you won't mind me saying that I think you're talking a load of old fraff.

Funny that you think its fine for your brown DH and kids to be called black cunts but you're gonna run to MNHQ now?

All very funny that.

Oh and I think it was me that first suggested on this thread that you're a man so don't forget to tell on report me too.

DontEAtTheVolesKids
I would never normally complain at all, but Thepan, has hectored and bullied me for long enough.

I was only trying to be helpful with the court accounts. When you are in court and see the testimonies,evidence and the overall feel of the court it feels totally different than reading the account of the trial in the newspaper.

When the verdict was read out family and friends of John Terry jumped to their feet, screamed and hugged each other. the Ferdinand family to their credit did not say anything at all, I suppose too shell-shocked. The atmosphere before the not guilty verdict was so thick you could have cut it with a knife.

The judge read out why he thought Ferdinand was a credible witness and called him 'brave' to come to court, he then read out his version of Terry's account, and all sitting there including me thought it could go either way. I spoke to a relative of Terry's who said he was not sure how the verdict would go.

John Terry jumped to his feet at the verdict and left straight away, he looked distressed and upset.

The atmosphere outside the court was electric, a male Chelsea supporter read out 3 pages of A4 of why Terry was not a racist, he spoke in broken English, and someone said that he was from Italy. Anyway people cheered him on.

A brown dog was dressed in a Terry football shirt and he seemed the star of the show with photographers taking photos of him.

The outcome of all this is that the taxpayers will pay the £500.000 cost of this case.

ironman, AmberLeaf is right, that hectoring and bullying are part of free speech, they are not pleasant, but they are free speech. It could be said that some of the insults on the football pitch were also partly hectoring and bullying.

Ferdinand didn't bring the case, a member of the public reported it and the wheels turned in motion. That is how the system works.

A brown dog was dressed in a Terry football shirt and he seemed the star of the show with photographers taking photos of him.

This detail had me in tears.

You truly have a gift ironman

@limited-puddles here!

You can see the dog with what seems like a number 26 shirt (is that really Terru's shirt number?) near the bottom of the Sky report on "as it happened"

news.sky.com/story/959788/as-it-happened-terry-racism-trial-verdict

Ironman was there and the MN court reporting was interesting.

The question I would like to ask ironman is

Ironman, was that your dog?

Yep, ironman's "Court Room Diary" was excellent. Except..
-he didn't know who the plaintive was.

• he didn't know who brought the case.
• he didn't know who was the judiciary.
• he was unaware of the sentencing practice for this case.

But other than those triflings, it was excellent.

For a man really keen on the principle of free speech, which allows for racist abuse (eg the Patrice Muamba abuse case would never have made it to court in ironman-world) you seem pretty trigger-happy to complain over a few words on the internet that you don't like. 'Freedom of speech' isn't just reserved for people who agree with you.

Good luck with the complaint. I had mailed HQ a couple of days ago about this thread and yourself - having MN known as a platform for racists would be really bad for business. And Olivia saw the post re your credibility last night.

We have an unexpectedly sunny day up here in the Peaks, so we are awff out. Have a jolly one!

From the Sky report, we also have details of eth dog's name - Penny.

At approx 1.05 p.m.
'Dog called Penny turns out in support of Terry. A terry-er, you might say'

'Yep, ironman's "Court Room Diary" was excellent. Except..
-he didn't know who the plaintive was.

• he didn't know who brought the case.
• he didn't know who was the judiciary.
• he was unaware of the sentencing practice for this case.

But other than those triflings, it was excellent.'

Some details were wrong, but I don't think that means that ironman was not there.

didn't say he wasn't there. Just that IF he wants to be a court reporter I'm afraid he is back in remedial class.

ThePan, you really have it in for ironman it seems. Why are you so hellbent on convincing people that a) she is a bloke and b) she wasn't in the courtroom? I agree with her that the Muamba case should not have got to court by the way.

There is definitely more work to do, yes.

Lotta. Didn't pan say he wasn't saying that ironman wasn't there just that his reporting skills need honing.

But hey don't leave me out! I don't think ironmans a woman with mixed race kids either and I'm here to reply. Pan is having a lovely day out in the peaks with his family.

Claig. In reply to whether the dog was mine. No it was not, it belonged to a young man with dark brown curly hair, he had it on a lead and you might see him in the film footage.

Originally he was behind the barriers, but the police let him into the main part in front of Westminster Magistrates Court, so that photographers could take his picture.

We are a nation of dog lovers, after all

I cannot understand if IM believes in free speech...why in all reason is she reporting someone for their free speech?

It seems IM believes in free speech...as long as it is IM or JT.

Yep it looks like the right to free speech only applies to racists in the world of ironman.

Love ironman hoisting herself with her own petard there. Ironman and her husband will complain personally to MNHQ? As opposed to impersonally? Are they going to turn up at the offices or something?

I wonder if they'll bring their dog wearing a foorball shirt?....or maybe the mumsnet scarf?

I don't think he has thought this one all the way through.

I'm crying laughing reading the bit about the dog in the football shirt.

John Terry was never accused of being a racist.

Howard Riddle( Chief Magistrate) summed it up thus"It may be worth mentioning here that the issue of this court is not whether Mr. Terry is a racist, in the broadest sense of the word . I have received a substantial volume of unchallenged evidence from witnesses both in writing and in person to say to confirm he was not.

Lip readers could not be relied upon, Anton Ferdinand did not even hear the remarks.

I have the court transcript here in front of me. Everyone in court or in the public gallery received one.

This case should never have been brought it was flimsy,flawed and lacked any sound evidence.

Anton Ferdinand was called 'brave' in court for bringing the case, more like foolhardy! In his circles he's now seen as a big girls blouse for bringing it.
At the time of the alleged remarks he said he was a "big man". Perhaps he should have remembered this and not gone to court.

This case should never have been brought to court.

The only thing it showed was the stupidity of the CPS for bringing it!

The Taxpayers Alliance should ask for an enquiry into why the public were expected to foot the £500.000 bill, on such flimsy and flawed evidence.

Why did the FA not sort this out?

Anyway I have had enough of the case. Have a nice day!