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How plausible do we find John Terry's defense?

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Condover · 09/07/2012 12:35

That he was only repeating words Anton Ferdinand has accused him of saying.

I can't imagine saying those words ever. I'd be very upset to be accused of saying them, but I wouldn't repeat them in my denial, but then I'm not John Terry....

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happygilmore · 15/07/2012 10:44

ironmn have you read the posts??

People have told you several times that Anton Ferdinand did not bring the case. He is not, therefore, a "big girls blouse". He didn't complain to the police, he didn't bring the prosecution. The case was not at is instigation.

Surely if you sat through the case you would know that?!

NarkedRaspberry · 15/07/2012 11:17

Have you not wondered why Ironman sat through the case?

GothAnneGeddes · 15/07/2012 12:45

Narked - My mind has boggled more than wondered, tbh.

AmberLeaf · 15/07/2012 13:58

As I said several pages back ironman is a bit thick

ironman · 15/07/2012 17:23

happygilmore I don't need to read the posts I'm well aware a self-righteous off duty copper informed his mates at the met.
I'm aware that the police brought the prosecution.

I'm well aware that without Anton Ferdinands statement and corroboration in court this would never have been tried.

I saw the Ferdinand family sit through this court case. Anton Ferdinand sat through the defence Barrister's evidence of Terry, and because it was not going his way, he had his head in his hands.

Mr. Riddle states"Anton Ferdinand gave detailed evidence about what happened on the pitch, and about what happened in the Chelsea dressing room afterwards, and then about how he learned about the footage posted on youtube". I make the following comments about that evidence".
Anton Ferdinand "did not in his statement to police provide full and accurate details of the words he used to Mr. Terry"

The Ferdinand family were very instrumental in bringing this case to court.

If you were mistaken in thinking I don't know the points of this trial, I accept this as anyone can make a mistake.

Amberleaf You on the other hand are the one who is thick. Basically you don't know the case, you were not there, you didn't see the evidence. You don't have a copy of the summing up of this case, as I do. I would say for you that it was a silly mistake calling me thick, (or perhaps for a laugh you could have called me a fxxking knobhead, although, it would have been better directed at Thepan as he's a man) but it was not. You are like so many people just plain nasty, infantile and ignorant.

p.s. Please don't have me up before the beak for insulting words. My line of defence will be provocation! Grin

Please have a nice evening. Smile

AmberLeaf · 15/07/2012 17:30

Nah you are thick.

But don't take my word for it. Your nonsense on this thread proves the level of your intelligence.

I don't know the case? You can't even get the names right! And that's with the benefit of being there!

You're a bit of a joke ironman. That's obvious to all but you sadly.

MotionOfTheOcean · 15/07/2012 17:40

AmberLeaf,I refuse to engage anymore,Ironman obviously thinks she/he is superior in her knowledge of this case,shame they have got so much wrong,and for what it,s worth,I do have a copy of the summary of the case,it was on the internet.

ironman · 15/07/2012 17:41

Amberleaf, I would not get to upset if I were you, there are those like me who know the Terry case, and those who don't. You are of course the latter.

We could chat for hours, you could ask me anything you like about the case and I could tell you, but I'm sure you realise the error of your ways and have more mundane tasks to carry out like having to put the dinner on. I also have to look at Ebay for a pair of bedside tables. (very boring, the Terry case was much more exciting!).

I'm also going to have a nice cuppa!Brew

Don't you just love MN?

limitedperiodonly · 15/07/2012 17:42

Yeah, but we've all moved on now.

What I want to know is how you, your alleged husband and your dog got on down at MNHQ against that big bully Pan

AmberLeaf · 15/07/2012 17:45

Motion I know its rather funny that ironman seems to think he's had some sort of special access to something private!

Yeah ironman I'm really upset! Tears of bloody laughter here mate.

EldritchCleavage · 15/07/2012 17:46

Ironman, your court report was the worst I have ever read, and I've read a lot.
But never mind.

The more heinous aspect of your posts is you getting at the Ferdinand family. Their mother and Anton have had death threats. She needed police security. Police security for heaven's sake! They'll all be a target for racists for ages now. All this for a case Anton did not want brought. Rio did not go to Euro 2012 in a strange decision many people felt as prompted by this case.

This was pretty much always going to be a no-win situation for them. They've paid a heavy heavy price for it, please leave them alone.

MotionOfTheOcean · 15/07/2012 17:48

I,m actually wondering if Ironman is Terry,s mum/dad/sister etc.

NarkedRaspberry · 15/07/2012 17:57

Ironman definitely has conviction Grin

limitedperiodonly · 15/07/2012 18:00

True eldritch. Jokes aside, I could have done without the faux sympathy and now the crowing. I don't think it's going to stop though. It is all very, very ugly.

motion I imagine Terry's charming family have more lucrative things to do meeting people in pubs and supermarkets.

NarkedRaspberry · 15/07/2012 18:01

MIL and mother

Brother

Father

happygilmore · 15/07/2012 18:05

what a joke! Your posts are making you sound ridiculous. He was called as a witness and interviewed by the police - he had to answer questions under oath.

The judge quite specifically said he was a credible witness.

Surely if you were in court you heard that?!

Sounding more and more like a wind up to be honest.

limitedperiodonly · 15/07/2012 18:06

The Terry family: Nature's way of saying 'Stay Away'

slovenlydotcom · 15/07/2012 18:35

In the spirit of accuracy can I just point out that there is no such thing as a plaintive in a criminal case.

As you were

CharlieBoo · 15/07/2012 18:41

Eldritch... Please... If you know anything about football you would know that Rio was NOT fit, has been plagued by lower back and hamstring problems this season. Alex Ferguson said 3 days before the squad was announced that he doubted Rio would get picked because of this.... He just wasn't up to it.

The Ferdinand's very much wanted this case brought. This is the best bit of publicity Antons had in his whole career! What do you all make of the choc ice incident on Rio's twitter of Ashley Cole????????

Feenie · 15/07/2012 18:48

He was fit and wanted to play, CharlieBoo - Rio made that very clear. He might have had back problems last season, but he still managed 30 appearances, more than he's had since 2007/8.

Of course Ferguson said he wasn't up to it - he always says that; he wants Rio injury free to start the season for Man Utd.

donnie · 15/07/2012 18:52

Q: what do you call a footballer in a suit?
A: the defendant.

sorry if it's already been done Grin. IMO they are all a bunch of thick twats. Rio Ferdinand is not really gaining any moral high ground here as someone who has routinely failed to attend drugs tests and as convicted drink-driver. Plus I believe he has used twitter to call Ashley Cole a 'choc-ice' today which is a racist term.

Personally I wish they would all jump off a cliff like the dimwit lemmings they are and free the world of their ghastly oikish crass chavdom.

But hey that's just my opinion......

ironman · 15/07/2012 18:52

happygilmore. Yes he thought Anton Ferdinand a credible witness but he also said that 'there were discrepancies between the evidence of Mr. Cole and Mr. Ferdinand" He was referring to the statement in the changing room of what he thought Terry had said. Overall he thought Anton Ferdinand a credible witness,, although,throughout the trial it appeared to me that he thought that Ferdinand and Terry had convenient memory lapses.

I did not remember everything that was said in the trial, I would ask anyone could you remember everything you have heard over the over a three day period? As I have said one woman dropped off to sleep.

Anton Ferdinand would have been best advised not to have taken part in the case.

It was not presented as evidence in court, but Howard Riddle makes his own comments on the transcript.

"Another explanation, not one advanced by either party, but which certainly crossed my mind was that , is that Anton Ferdinand did hear the words, did not want to take it any further, agreed in the changing room that he had heard nothing and stuck by that account. In short he may initially have wanted to simply move on, and as things snowballed found it expedient to stick with that position".

In fact the whole triail was "he said that, no he said this".

I said that I felt sorry for the Ferdinand family and still do. They were very ill-advised to become part of this trial.

On the other hand I saw John Terry in court, he looked nervous and upset on the three days I sat in on the trial, his family must have been lived that this came to court.

Not one of the families have come out well from this. The only people who benefitted were the lawyers.

The taxpayers of this country have also lost out to the tune of £500.000.

CharlieBoo · 15/07/2012 18:52

Oh yes Rio insisted he was fit, but he wasn't and subsequently wasn't picked. Very very sour grapes the way his agent came out with his comments after he wasn't picked...

I do wonder what will happen with whole choc ice incident.... He seemed to find it very funny but then later deleted his comments, which I thought was very strange considering he said he was having a laugh and people shouldn't get their knickers in a twist..

The poor poor innocent Ferdinand family...

Feenie · 15/07/2012 18:56

Oh yes Rio insisted he was fit, but he wasn't

Yes, he was.

happygilmore · 15/07/2012 18:59

Who would have advised him not to take part in the case?

I'm not sure you understand the judicial system in this country ironman. He was called as a witness by the crown and had to answer questions under oath. He couldn't refuse to "take part in the case" as you put it.

Serious question, do you know what it means for the crown to prosecute someone?

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