Woman raped after getting kicked off bus at 3am

[joben]

Is this just a another shit example of the selfish society? Could the bus driver or one of the other passengers not just given her the 20p she needed for her fare?

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Often when bad things happen it is a convergence of a set of circumstances that independently are not significant, but collectively when they come together, real harm is done.

Nobody is perfect - lots of people have helped me in the past with things like this, when I was young and didn't quite get it right, and I can and do return the favour. I wish more people did. That's not to say I am easily scammed, but this would have been an obvious one where help would have been appropriate, as she was already on the bus and had nearly all the fare anyway.

There are too many cases like this that we read about in the papers and nothing seems to change. Something needs to be done, policies have to change, or similar things will happen again. It's the same with the stories of pitbulls attacking young children. Nothing ever seems to be done to prevent it happening again.

Ryoko, she wasn't a beggar! She was pleading with the driver.

She would have gone to an ATM for more money, but the driver wouldn't wait.

She would have rung her mum to meet the bus at the other end with the extra 20p, but the driver wouldn't have that either.

He was willing to spend 7 or 8 minutes saying no to her though

Ryoko I think you should move out of London

it is turning you a cold, cold person

We're actually a pretty hard-hearted, mean-minded society in many ways. We think being British means doing the Lambeth walk, making cups of tea for people and waving flags at the Queen. But what it also means is being smug and small minded, turning our backs when we think someone has brought a problem on themselves, and blaming others for collective wrong. It's the thing I like least about being British.

I work next to where the poor girl was raped. Nobody has ever asked me for money along there and I work in the late evening. It isn't London, I would assume someone asking for money for the bus needed it for the bus.
I can't understand why nobody helped her.

i think you're right boffin. I've handed over money while an entire bus load of people have sat not making eye contact and shuffling their feet not wanting to 'get involved'.

Haven't read all the (many!) pages, so apologies if this has already been said. Although it is absolutely not the bus driver or bus passenger's fault that the girl was raped (that lies squarely with the scum attacker who would have no doubt hurt somebody anyway) what kind of people just SIT there and let a girl get chucked off the bus at 3am in the morning for the sake of 20p?!
The fact that the bus driver is willing to kick a woman off the bus at that time of night and leave her so vulnerable is sick. I hope he's ashamed of himself for being such a Jobsworth, and wonder how he'd have felt if a fellow bus driver had kicked off his daughter or wife off the bus at that time?!
As for the passengers, nice to know there's such caring, lovely people out there. Not.

For those calling the driver and passengers nasty names.

What would you change to prevent this from happening again?

reme,bering that as a "public" service you can't discriminate between the sexes at all.

Alll I can come up with is that local councils take over the night buses and they are free to use.

But would you agree to the hike in taxation?

JellyBoats, I would bet (hope?) that the driver is ill with guilt right now, but as other people have pointed out, he could have lost his job. It is only 20p, but if everyone gets on the the bus 20p short, he's £6 short. And if he works five nights a week, he's £30 down. Multiply by 45 weeks and 100 bus drivers and so on...

This is completely unlikely in real life but it's how a business would justify disciplinary action. Hindsight's a wonderful thing.

It's human compassion, though, surely? I accept there's rules and regulations or whatever in place and he could be disciplined for letting her on 20p short. Did he not have 20p he could have given her out of his own money though? Did not one of the people on the bus have 20p?
One of them must have done.
I must admit I'm one who's usually reluctant to give to strangers, they could be beggars scamming or whatever, but in this case when it is 3am in the morning and a woman is clearly trying to board a bus,then it's a different scenario.

Oh, I agree with you completely and I hope I would have given someone 20p if they needed it at that time in the morning. I know people are in their own wee world, don't have much to spare, don't like getting involved but someone must have had 20p going spare surely.

A lady posted earlier saying her husband was a bus driver and he wasn't allowed to give out his own money.

The only person to blame for the rape is the vile, evil cunt who was high on drugs and drink and beat her to a pulp and raped her.

I should imagine the bus driver feels terrible about not letting her on the bus, he might have been on a warning who knows?

I would have given the girl the 20p, I would have given a young lad 20p. I would have stumped up £5 at that time in the morning in the hope that some one might do the same for one of my DSes if they were in the same situation. I think it is very telling that no one gave the poor girl the money.

This story was on our local news last night, I've not opened the link, and the poor girl's mum was driving slowly along Mansfield Road looking for her DD when she was stopped by the police for driving slowly. She explained she was looking for the girl and the rapist came running up saying he had "found" her and thought she had been raped or something. When his relatives left the Court yesterday they were swearing and shouting obscenities to the cameras. I hope they lock the bastard up and throw away the key!

Surely the busdriver has discretion over the fares at 3 am? The bus is still going where it's going. whether there are 12 people on it or 100. And 20p is not a huge amount, he could have waived it. (but then maybe he should waive it for everyone short of 20p,30p,50p,£1..........)

But it's not his fault she was raped.

I have often given money to beggars who approach you on the street. Some of them ask for bus money. Some show you their bleeding head wound/arm/whatever and ask for pence to go towards a taxi to hospital. You then see them again weeks later, same wound, kept open for this purpose. But I don't begrudge them the money, they must need it more than me if the only way they can think to feed themselves is to beg. I give what I can afford. Eventually I say, 'Sorry, no' to someone and then feel awful as obviously I usually do have 10p on me that I can spare. So I cannot understand why nobody on the bus gave 20p to help someone late at night who clearly wanted and needed to get home. I do wonder though how many other people were actually on the bus, how drunk they were, whether some of them were asleep etc. It seems on the face of it to show a lack of compassion.

BUT: It was not their fault she was raped.

dreadful it happens
driver should have used discretion and judgement, but not his fault

captainmummy
"Surely the busdriver has discretion over the fares at 3 am?"
see up thread.

OK

this "poor girl" was on the last bus home at 3 am
The "poor girl" and the rest of the passengers where most likely drunk,
you have a driver that wants to get home ASAP.

She gets on and claims to be 20p down on the fare, his boss will be pissed off with him if he comes back under fare and he could get (another) disciplinery).

What should he do? all he sees is a bolshy drunk trying to get a cheap ride home and a bus full of drunks getting more irate at not going home.

what should he do? he is fucked whatever he does.

The driver could have let her on, but he didn't.
The other passangers could have given her the 20p, but they didn't.

I do not buy for one minute that this is normal. I have never seen anyone chucked off a bus unless they were belligerant.

I use london buses almost every day, every week, for the last ten years. Ive never seen the kind of thing you are all getting so mad about.

So imo, there has to be something else - and i have no interest in badmouthing this woman, but if we are talking in general terms about the ethics of this type of situation then i can only assume the passanger would be assisted by someone unless they were being arsey.

I see it fairly often, someone genuinely caught short and apologetic and the driver will maybe have a liitle moan and then let them on or another passanger will step in and pay. The only time ive seen it any different is when someone gets on and is arsey with the driver, knowing that if tne driver objects to them not paying then the only option is to refuse to drive, which then pisses off the other passangers. Never seen it work though, the passangets always side with the driver cos effectively the non-paying passanger is trying to hold them all to ransom. And in those cases, why should they ge their way? When politeness and a genuine 'sorry about this' would alnost certainly work?

What was going onin those 8 minutes? There has to be a reason no one stepped in to help. I refuse to believe this is about a bus full of people being shit. Nothing i have seen tells me that is in any way likely.

I feel a bit crap effectively saying that this poor woman was probably a bit of an arse on the bus given what she has gone through, but firstly, imo the bus incident and the attack are two entirely seperate incidents and secondly im really making a general point in the face of all the 'what a bunch of heartless bastards' threads - i just dont think people are like that.

Bus drivers can and do let people off. People can and do help other passangers...but should they every time? And if not, under what circumstances should people not feel obliged to help? In my opinion it is when there is aggression and beligerance. I can only assume this is what happened here.

Wow. I wrote 'passangers' every.single.time.

Our local news has just said that Trent Barton (the bus company) have issued a statement to say that "the driver did not follow his training".

That's all that was said, so I'll see if there is anything else in the local paper.

I have given a mere 5p to someone who was short on the bus, and he was a burly chap, for sure i would have gave.

Reading this thread makes me think that night buses should be free, Especially the last buses at 3 am.
Its not safe anywhere really for young girls/boys to be out alone at that time and many of them might not have the money for the fare for whatever reason.
Why is the night fare so expensive anyway?
If ever I see a girl in a bus needing the change at that time of night I am giving it to her thats for sure though usually I am in bed.
What about the asshole coach driver who left young people stranded in London at 3am on the night of the pageant. They could all have got raped.
Most dangerous hours: 1 am to 6 am when the buses stop running. (????)

Yes, definitely a 3 am bus should be free. Definitely.

why free?it's a commercial company. why should buses to free? 3am seems v arbitrary. driver still needs paid, fuel, maintenance etc.those costs will end getting passed onto other fare paying customers,how is that justifiable?

ghastly attacks may still happen regardless f whether bus provided was free

I've been visiting the area this girl was raped in over the past 20 years or so as a relative lives there. A couple of years ago they had a family party and my Mum didnt feel well and didnt want everyone to know so I said I would pop to the shops for her. There is a block of shops which used to be knitting wool shop, pharmacy etc. The only likely shop was now a small supermarket,. I popped in there but no luck. I asked 3 people in friendly and polite fashion if they could tell me where the the nearest chemist/pharmacy was. I got blank looks and no one even answered me! I couldn't believe it at the time. I felt like I was asking for a sex shop or similar. Two of the people I asked where mothers with babies as I thought they would be the best bet.

When I heard on the radio today about this and realised where it was I wasnt at all surprised about the 20p. Nasty people who couldnt give a f*ck. It used to be an ok area too.

I was thrown off a London bus with my DD one evening for not having the exact change for the fare. This was not a requirement of buying a ticket, the driver just decided that was the rule that day. We were then caught in a bad thunderstorm and had to wait for the next bus, which incidentally did let me use a £5 note for pay for our fares.

It does happen.