6 years?? He deserves life!

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WARNING - DISTRESSING LINK

I can't believe this man only got 6 years??! here Surely he deserves life at least?? I have a 2 year old and just can't imagine how I would feel if someone did this to her - why on earth did he just get 6 years??

Well good for you and your self-indugence SQ. Quite how that form of justice would benefit this girl is something you haven't even stopped to consider. Just a poor Old Testament reaction. Nothing else.

You are denying a very fundamental human emotion, to protect the weak at all costs. Especially children. You don't understand why people want him hurt? That's fine. To accuse others who are simply expressing their horror as best they can, of self indulgence, is tactless. It seems simple to me.

Nothing will benefit this girl.

People thinking that him being out in 3 years will be a risk to other children, is fair enough. People thinking and hoping that he may be hurt in jail, is not my way of doing things, but if it stops him being out in 3 years to do this again,well that's not a bad thing by a long shot.

I didn't say I don't understand why people would want him hurt. At all. But I am wandering into a usual MN pitchfork mentality, armed comparatively with a teaspoon. But using it to deflate some damaging and self-indulgent hot air.

Nothing will benefit this girl. Really?

panfried I have not got the first idea what you are on about.

Who is self indulgent on this thread. And why.

panfried why are you starting an argument on this thread? Why?

Panfried I think people's reaction to this is on a visceral level. I don't think you can apply an academic argument to its expression. And I'd hardly put this in the realms of 'the usual mn pitchfork mentality'.

It isn't 'academic' at all, Latsia.

eg, in 12/14 years time someone says to this girl 'well, what happened was we supported this bloke being buggered senseless, kicked to beyond recognition, and being hung up by his testicles. We did this for you.'

This girl would ask "You did that for me? Not for yourselves?".

SQ - why am I starting an argument on this thread? You mean, 'why are you disagreeing with me/us?' Well because it's important to, imo.

[fwiw I do think he deserved a 'life-styled' sentence]

But it's not what this thread has become. Posters have been quite legitimately asking what else they can do to prompt a review of the sentence handed down in this case. The need is to try and do something practical and not feel so helpless, as SQ pointed out. That isn't a 'pitchfork' reaction and it is, IMO, significantly less self indulgent than wandering in and picking apart people's emotions.

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All I have done on this thread is say how awful it is and link to govt emails to express dismay at the short tariff

I am not sure why this has garnered displeasure in some quarters.

And this is really not a thread for arguing. Really.

And honestly. What difference will it make to this child now what sentence the man gets? None. It will make no difference to her. I doubt anyone is talking about it to her, and I doubt they will unless it comes up in counselling. She is tiny. She will not be following the case.

Mummy might say "the bad man can't hurt you any more".

Which she will say whatever the sentence is. Whether it is 3 years or 10 years or 20 years makes no difference. Mummy will say the same. He can't hurt you any more.

This is just how it is, surely?

Good point SQ. And reminder.

Panfried, people on this thread are trying to do something. Yes, there have been many raw, emotional reactions to the story (my own included). But we're writing emails, we're not stoning him in the street.

If the reporting has been incorrect and his sentence is more appropriate for someone who has done great harm and is likely to do great harm again, well thank goodness. But I don't see what the problem is with people being upset and wanting to do something about an imbalance of justice.

Sorry, I'm shattered and can't think of a better way to phrase all that.

Pan, I don't think the thread is self-indulgent. A man attacked a child, and received a slap on the wrist. No, no one knows the child, but we live in a society where a horrendous crime against a defenseless person isn't taken seriously by the justice system. Who wants to live in a society like that? Why would you fault someone for wanting to change that system?

Nothing can help this girl, lets only hope that at 2 years old, she won't be able to remember all of it, and get the best support she can.
But i can definatly say that this person meeting a slow and painful end in prison would mean that some children would be spared a similar fate to the poor baby he has already attacked, that i think is worth anything, especially his death.

These people can never be rehabilitated, we have known this for a long time, yet we still let them out to roam about our children, it's disgusting.

Moggie - I didn't say anywhere 'the thread' was self-indulgent, at all. IF it results in a review of sentencing for this bloke then really great. I had referred to some posts which irresponsibly wished further violence, which would do this victim no good whatsoever, and would v. probably given her, in future years, another burden of consequence and responsibility.

Wish I hadn't clicked link poor little baby.

I agree OP - 6 years is absolutely disgusting and unjust. He will likely be let out sooner, what 3/4 years. That little gel will only be 5/6. How the hell is that justice?

I usually avoid threads like this "grab the pitchfork" but this man is utterly dangerous and should not be released till he has served a longer sentence and been assessed to be safe (unlikely) prior to release what a fucking twisted shit.

Off to bed to cuddle my babies and pray they are never ever near anyone nasty

Girl not gel

I think what panfried is saying (and I absoloutely agree) is going into the realm of "I hope he gets raped with a broken bottle" or strung up by his bollocks, or "give me five minutes with him" or whatever, IS self indulgent in the fact that having those thoughts will make YOU feel better, but will do nothing for the little girl, or in increasing his sentence.
Agree the system needs an overhaul and the sentence is pitiably low - I can't imagine how outraged the girl's parents are - but really, coming on here and talking about what physica revenge should be doled out does seem a bit like a mob mentality, and for one, it makes me very uncomfortable.
I live close to an area where a known peadophile was given housing a few years ago. I, like most people, was appalled and concerned, but when I saw mobs chanting outside his house, talking on the news about how he should be killed or attacked, it was still shocking to me.

Well just to re-post what SardineQueen mentioned further up the thread, if you are so minded then the address to contact is

[email protected]

and tell them how you feel about the sentence.

to clarify a bit - if anyone were to wander into a certain magistrates court in Northern England tomorrow afternoon, they would witness me helping to prosecute a sex offender, requesting a commital to Crown Court for a harsher sentence than is available in mags. courts. I say that as historically on MN NOT being a pitchforker is viewed as being a paedophile's friend.

Well I for one would rather people came onto the thread and express disgust and sent that email than hide it in favour of a heated argument over the use of parent and child spaces at the supermarket.

But maybe I'm odd.

How did the mother know him, and why did she leave her with him?