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Edward and Sophie's baby

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LucieB · 13/11/2003 11:01

Anyone else think its a bit odd that mother and baby still haven't been reunited. Apparently the baby was delivered by c-section on Saturday and Sophie still hasn't been to St George's to see her, despite the press saying that both mother and daughter are doing well. If mother is doing well, why haven't they transferred her to George's to be near her daughter, or vice versa. All a bit strange....

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suedonim · 27/11/2003 19:06

But does Edinburgh wants P Edward as their duke?? Also, I thought the title DofE was a made-up one for P Philip when he married the queen, whereas York, Wales etc are traditional titles. Why am I even bothering about all this???

Going back to the name Louise, I read a bit in a paper today that Q Vic's dd, Princess Louise wasn't quite your run-of-the mill princess, in fact she was quite feisty and rebellious for that day and age, such as refusing to marry a royal and so on. This is a bit about her Princess Louise . Lets hope Baby Louise takes after her!

prufrock · 27/11/2003 19:42

Sophie isn't actually a commoner anymore. As the wife of the son of the monarch she does get a HRH, and is "second lady of the land" above P. Anne.

janh · 27/11/2003 20:05

suedonim, I'm glad you know this stuff too, I seem to have assimilated it along with my NHS orange juice and cod liver oil.

That Princess Louise sounds like good company. Thinking about it Queen Vic wasn't a quiet little miss either, was she - good role model!

Worked out today that Lady Lou is named for both Ed's grandmas and 2 of his great grandmas - hadn't got that clear before - you'd think Sophie would have had a bit more input!

suedonim · 27/11/2003 21:10

In people of our age, it's unavoidable, isn't it, Janh?? NHS orange juice - yum!!

I'm now wondering if Edward does become Duke of E, will baby become a princess? I guess Sophie's input is Mary - her mum's name apparently.

suedonim · 27/11/2003 21:11

In people of our age, it's unavoidable, isn't it, Janh?? NHS orange juice - yum!!

I'm now wondering if Edward does become Duke of E, will baby become a princess? I guess Sophie's input is Mary - her mum's name apparently.

tamum · 27/11/2003 21:20

Judging by the uni students' reaction to having the DofE as chancellor it doesn't look as though the Royals are very welcome in Edinburgh full stop, actually, suedonim! (story here if you haven't seen it)

janh · 27/11/2003 21:27

mm, suedonim, Sophie's mum is Mary, but Queen Mary was Ed's great-grandma too so he's got it covered all ways.

If I'd done a bit more research on QV's kids I should have realised Louise would be a good choice - Alice is a top 50 name but Louise isn't. (Mind you there was a Helena too, where'd she go?)

LOL about Northerner's colleague - poor lass might never get over it!

miriamw · 27/11/2003 22:05

Going back to princess issue, again it seems to be a male thing. The Offical UK Monarchy site has the following (carefully tucked away):

In 1917, King George V laid down the rules which govern the use of the terms 'His/Her Royal Highness' and 'Prince/Princess'. Only the children of the Sovereign, the children of the sons of the Sovereign and the eldest son of the eldest son of The Prince of Wales would receive the title. Thus all The Queen's children are 'HRH', 'Prince' or 'Princess', and the offspring of The Prince of Wales and The Duke of York carry the title. The children of The Princess Royal however, do not. Likewise, The Duke of Gloucester, The Duke of Kent, Princess Alexandra and Prince Michael of Kent are also entitled to use the title as grandchildren of King George V through the male line, but none of their children are.

Wives marrying a holder of this title would be known as Her Royal Highness but men marrying a holder of the title would not. The only exception to that is Prince Philip, who in 1947 was created HRH The Duke of Edinburgh. Letters patent declared that their offspring would be known as HRH. Otherwise as grandchildren of the Sovereign through the female line, the offspring of Princess Elizabeth and The Duke of Edinburgh would not have been entitled to use HRH or Prince or Princess until their mother became Queen, at which point, as children of the Sovereign, they would have been eligible.

So Edward is really breaking with tradition, though why the babe defaults to Lady where as Peter and Zara don't seems to defeat logic - they really do seem to make up the rules as they go! I'd read somewhere that strictly Louise, being entitled to use the form Princess, could ask for her parents' decision to be overturned when she comes of age, but goodness knows who will be on the throne (if we still have it!) by then.

suedonim · 27/11/2003 22:08

I hadn't caught up with that story, Tamum - LOL!!!

suedonim · 27/11/2003 22:20

Miriam, I predict that Lady Louise will start to demand to be known as princess when she's about 2.5 to 3yrs old, if this household is anything to go by.

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