Diane Abbott....racist comment or not?

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I think If you look and consider what she said in the context of the discussuion she was having. I believe she has a very valid point, she did make a generalised remark and by definition that was racist, but, it was in my opinion acceptable for her to generate discussion and break down the barriers that exist (the fear of counter accusations of racism) in discussuing the exposure openly.

The balance of power isn't "Skewed" this is Europe and the vast majority of people are white, or at least the newest socially accepted definition of the term white anyway.
The suggestion that the power base in the UK and Europe is skewed ignores the facepalm fact that only 5% (Or therabouts) of Europeans are African/Asian descent which will always make their input that of a minority input.

Bearing that in mind if it was ever the case that black people had the same political power as whites in Europe and the UK that would indeed be wrong and disproportionate.

What's needed is governance without reference to skin colour.We need to be colour blind if you will.

Abbott isn't comour blind she's black centric and she's dangerous considering she's the product of positive discrimination.

Well said foglike.

how is DA a product of positive discrimination? is that the only way a non white person gets anything in this society? most of the white mps are the product of positive discrimination as they are all connected and have never done a productive day's work in their lives, David Cameron, the Milliband brothers etc. She is a bit of an arse, she must know that everyone is looking at mp's looking for ways to discredit them. if she wants to give people ammunition, that's her problem.

i think that she always wants to show that she is with the 'community' forgetting that we can see that her single mother status on 100k is different from other single parents' positions. she wants to show that she is concerned that black patients might not get good treatment from people who are unfamiliar with them so she voices her concern, but badly. i can't begin to understand why she would make comments about white women vs. black women or West Indian parents vs. any other parents. everyone does what they can for their children, that's all.

if you are dumb enough to use Twitter for important discussions you deserve all the criticism you get. i guess that she is a paid up member of labour's awkward squad, but she needs to do better than she has been recently. she needs to get off her 1970s/1980s barricades and keep up with the rest of the population. she should never give a twit like Milliband an opportunity to tell her off in public.

Who honestly listens to what Nick Griffin says though? The man is a joke. Yes he should be allowed to continue as every time he opens his mouth he reminds us what he truly is like.

Diane Abbott is a complete disappoint, a huge let down and as she has now made numerous questionable remarks, while not in Nick Griffin's league of stupidity she is circling closer.

A lot of people listen to Nick Griffin, disturbingly.

Diane Abbot was the recipient of positive discrimination.

She narrowly scraped past the required threshold of 33 nominations from fellow MPs after the party leadership ordered them to ensure that a woman was in the contest.
As late as yesterday morning, just hours before nominations closed, she had the backing of only 10 MPs.
But after a last ditch operation, organised by Harriet Harman, the acting Labour leader, 23 more MPs were found to sign up to her bid.
Many reluctantly signed her ballot papers after they were persuaded that the public would look unkindly at a contest featuring only male, white, Oxbridge graduates in their 40s.

Diane Abbot was the recipient of positive discrimination.

She narrowly scraped past the required threshold of 33 nominations from fellow MPs after the party leadership ordered them to ensure that a woman was in the contest

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/labour/7814203/Diane-Abbott-I-was-not-beneficiary-of-positive-discrimination.html

And yellowcoat the BNP is very much a minority party and is despised more than it's listened to wiNick Griffiths being a figure for riddicule. To suggest otherwise is myopic and naive.

*Griffin

oh, so the spoilt white ponces/mps put her in place to stop themselves from looking bad and you want to blame her for that? she did not win the leadership election so this act of white face saving/'positive discrimination' was wasted. actually, i don't care about the shadow cabinet/leadership game playing, i was talking about her place as an mp.

So was I.

Abbott was a product of positive discrimination from grammar school all the way to her launching into cabinet.

oh, so the spoilt white ponces/mps put her in place to stop themselves from looking bad and you want to blame her for that?

White ponces?

I'd call you a racist but that would be bad wouldn't it?

how do you know that she was the recipient of positive discrimination at grammar school? My sister went to grammar school, so did my brother, is that a sign that they benefitted from positive discrimination or is it a sign that they are intelligent and well educated?

how was she launched into cabinet? the white mps wanted to pretend that they do not have the system sewn up, so they included her in a ballot that clearly meant nothing as the spoilt middle class white boys still had everything handed to them on a plate.

you can call me a racist for the use of white ponces, but i am no more a racist than you. your own post said that she was included to cover the white boys tracks, that's all, not because they wanted her to do any substantial shadow cabinet work. you seem to accept that using her is okay.

did you know that one of the Millibands got into cambridge with substandard grades? he got in by claiming a scholarship meant for students of inner city schools. conveniently his millionaire marxist (connected academic) father sent him to a middle class inner city school so he got the scholarhip. isn't that positive discrimination or playing the system? is it okay for him to do that?

Your posts are distasteful creighton.

Calling a whole raft of people "White ponces" tells everyone which angle you're coming from and you should be ashamed of yourself.

And you think that she isn't to blame for her own actions namely these constant racial remarks she's so fond of spouting.

I suspect your white ponces post will be pulled because it's vile like you are.

why don't you answer my point about positive discrimination for white people in the 'in crowd'? do you think that positive discrimination is good for one group but unacceptable for another? i called the mps in parliament with their scam of putting her on a ballot paper 'white ponces' no one else, as you well know.

what's your view on the Milliband getting into Cambridge with low grades? is that okay?

you are distasteful to me by insisting that black people only get ahead through positive discrimination.

The only bit of my posts that is distasteful is the 'white ponces' phrase. the rest of them are not.

i don't actually think that Diane Abbott is a racist. i think that she is extremely stupid as she thinks that wittering on about white vs. black people wins her admiration with the general black community. she represents a mixed constituency in london. contrary to what a lot of white people think, i don't believe that many boroughs can be won on just a minority ethnic vote so she will depend on the votes of a mixed population.

if you read my earlier posts you would have seen that i said that anyone who uses twitter for a serious argument gets the criticism they deserve. Diane Abbott is a senior politician who is responsible for her own actions. she should know better than to get herself into this kind of trouble.

The only bit of my posts that is distasteful is the 'white ponces' phrase. the rest of them are not.

That's enough for me to deduce that you're a racist and that you are admitting as much.
The fact you know nothing about positive discrimination is secondary because I refuse to discuss race relations with a bigot.

are you still babbling foglike. i feel that you are the bigot as you think that black people in this country only achieve success through positive discrimination.

i thought that my family's academic achievements were due to hard work and (some) intelligence. obviously i was kidding myself as we were all given a pass to make us feel cleverer than we really are.

you did not answer my point about DA being used to make the voting process look as if it was inclusive. why not? do you think that it is okay for blacks to be used to further white politicians' ends?

what a distasteful little bigot you are, selectively reading posts and not answering points made to you. your attempts to portray yourself as indignant are risible.

i answered the main question of the post, no i do not think that DA is racist. she is stupid and probably arrogant and deserves any criticism she gets.

you are backing away from this thread because you have nothing sensible to say which is okay because it may leave space for people who have good or interesting points to make.

Can anyone else explain to this racist bigot what positive discrimination is and that it does exist?
And that referring to white people as ponces is wrong?
Her rants about her chip on her shoulder are giving me a metaphorical headache.

i believe that i have given examples of positive discrimination but you have not accepted them. why is that?

dear me, the 'chip on the shoulder' phrase, always invoked when someone disagrees with a poster!

the only ranting on this post is coming from you. i have asked legitimate questions and made reasoned (i think) points. what have you done? a bit of flouncing, a bit of ranting, have you answered any points raised?

stop frothing at the mouth and answer the points raised.

why hasn't anyone chipped in to help you foglike? can they see that you are the unreasonable one?

The only bit of my posts that is distasteful is the 'white ponces' phrase. the rest of them are not.

And breathe....

"Many reluctantly signed her ballot papers after they were persuaded that the public would look unkindly at a contest featuring only male, white, Oxbridge graduates in their 40s.*"

why was it alright for you to bring up MPs whiteness in your post but i am not allowed to mention it in mine?

your sentence shows that the racists in the labour party decided to use her for their own ends. why do you accept and approve of this? why are you not railing against this? you show that they are overt racists, you feel that she is a racist so what is your problem? don't they all deserve each other or should she be the only one who is criticised?

Read the link and then breathe.

i don't actually think that Diane Abbott is a racist. i think that she is extremely stupid as she thinks that wittering on about white vs. black people wins her admiration with the general black community

That's racism isn't it?
Spouting colour/cultural based insults to impress your own race and enamour yourself to them.

And quoting a sentence from the telegraph explaining how positive discrimination helped her rise to her current position isn't a racist comment it's a quote from the telegraph.

But trying to validate your opinion that white people are ponces isn't working too well either.

i'm off to the sorting office to see if my offer letter has arrived, new job you see. i suppose you will think that i got the job through positive discrimination rather than having a good cv and lots of work experience.

I'm surprised you would be offered a job of any note considering your skewed/slanted view on positive discrimination and racism.
Good luck anyway you probably need it.