Diane Abbott....racist comment or not?

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I think If you look and consider what she said in the context of the discussuion she was having. I believe she has a very valid point, she did make a generalised remark and by definition that was racist, but, it was in my opinion acceptable for her to generate discussion and break down the barriers that exist (the fear of counter accusations of racism) in discussuing the exposure openly.

This is what racism looks like:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2083403/Liverpool-racism-allegations-Police-probe-Tom-Adeyemi-breaks-tears.html

Poor you feeling persecuted by Diane Abbot TwoifBySea. It must be tough to be white on the receiving end of so much racism.

Racism takes many forms, thunderbolts. Do you really think that it's ok for her to say that? Really? At what point is it not ok for her to say stuff like that? If she said that all white people should be killed, would that be ok? Or that white and black children should be educated separately? Or that white and black people shouldn't marry?

Where do you draw the line? It's easier just not to have a line, isn't it? Just to say, just don't say racist shit and we'll all be better off.

thunderboltsandlightning

A black friend of mine reffered to a woman of indian origin as

"that smelly, big nosed paki bitch" is that racist?

or are we still ok with

"I can't be racist cos I is black"

Agree yellow raincoat.

It is awful that MrsdeV's husband is victim of racial harassment.

But what I don't understand is why this makesit ok or excuses in any way the fact that DA, a politician, expresses openly racist views.

Racism has nothing to do with whether anyone is offended or not.

If a comment is racist, it is racist even if everyone knows that the person making the comment is an idiot, and are therefore not offended by it.

Anyone can be racist, just as anyone can be bigoted. Whatever background they come from.

I don't feel persecuted by her at all thunderbolts but thank you for reducing the argument to being patronising. If it helps you feel a little bit superior then you go right ahead.

You're only a victim if you paint yourself as one.

I've heard many cringeworthy and vile remarks as a Scot, some on here.

My brother is pulled over constantly. hid record is 17 times in one week.

he is a 29 year old father of 3 with another on the way. he is also white.

I don't think there are many who could compete with those numbers. but rather than accuse the police of stopping him because of his skin colour he accepts that the vehicle he uses for work is the sort often favoured by criminals. so whilst it is frustrating for him, It is either that or police ignore possibilities to catch/prevent 'riminals.

Does he drive a getaway van, whinging? ;)

So what reason have they got for pulling my OH over then Whinger?
He doesnt drive a vehicle favoured by criminals.

I am not sure what your point is? That there MUST be another reason my OH gets pulled over? He MUST be doing something or looking funny? It CANT be because of his colour?

Or are you suggesting that my OH should accept that the police are just doing their job by pulling over black men because otherwise they might miss one who has commited a crime?

Or perhaps they think his 7 seater, motobility supplied car is a cunning disguise and he carries a weapon concealed in his walking stick?

I rather think your post has proved my point rather than yours.

I dont think his harrassement excuses DA's comments spero that much is pretty obvious from my previous comments.
However the idea that white people are some sort of oppressed minority is a pile of crap and frankly embarrassing.

Rubbish.
White people do not become an oppressed group by the actions of one big gobbed MP particularly as she is not even in government.

How silly.

If parliament was made up of a majority of black people who all expressed racist comments about white people you would have a point.

But it isnt and it never will be.

If she were my MP I would NOT feel confident in approaching her for help because of the way she has denegrated white mothers in the past. I would not expect her to do her job properly and represent me to the best of her abilities.

I dont like her. I thinks she was wrong to say what she did and lots of other things she has said.

White people are not oppresssed as a group and to suggest otherwise is ridiculous.

And I also get a little tired of the 'if she was white she would be sacked'. Unlikely. That Starky nightmare is still working for the the BBC, Carol Thatcher was asked to apologise and wouldnt, white people are most definately not automatically sacked for saying racist/ignorant/stupid things. Its a phrase trotted out when these things happen and it is lazy.

No one should be racist but we cant stop them. We should prevent them from expressing their racist view in public. But when we try and do that we are accused of 'political correctness gone mad' by the very people who are apoplectic with rage at Diane Abbot's idotic comments.

Boris Johnson is still fecking mayor of london for fecks sake.

Hear , hear, MrsDev

Mrs DeVere, you express my thoughts perfectly.

Joins in the cries for MrsDeVere to stand for election.

I did not think this thread had morphed into an argument that White people were oppressed as a group? To me that seems an utterly irrelevant point. The question was posed - is DA racist?

There now seems to be at least three clear examples when she has expressed denigratory views about people because of the colour of their skin. That some people want to peel off on some weird tangent rather than agree this is disgusting behaviour from anyone is something I don't understand.

I don't want people like this in a position of power.

I think you are actually at cross-purposes.

I don't think that "whites" in general are an oppressed people at the moment - though it is very worrying looking at some of the statistics for educational levels for young white males, so I suspect in the future there may be places in the UK where young white males may become so much of an underclass that they may well be a case to be made for positive discrimination towards them.

I don't think being part of an ethnic minority, though, excuses racism against another group/individual - so black people can be individually racist.

Dianne Abbott, racist or not, is a bloody fool. She speaks before she thinks, which is never a good idea for a politician.

By the way, my son is white and hates the police - he reckons they have a thing for youths in shiny tracksuits and baseball hats. Which they probably have, since those are the ones doing most of the anti-social behaviour around here. If he was black he would call the police racist. As it is, he says they favour the immigrants . That's because most of the immigrants around here are well-behaved law-abiding citizens!

I am quite surprised at the general trotting out of notion that 'whites have all the power'. Since I have moved from London my client base is predominantly white. They have no power, very little hope or aspiration for the future. They will never own a home.

Where is all their power? O but they have white skin, they must be just like David Cameron??

This is all sickening racist nonsense.

No not all white people have all the power.
But we have a white royal family and a white government and the majority of the country are white.

So of course white people have more power. There are more of them.

Personally, as a white, working class woman with a low income and a poor education I have feck all power.

But those with the most power are almost exclusively white.
And male
And public school educated
And have never had a proper job in their lives.

But that is another thread altogether.

I dont know why I bothered to write that post. You are not stupid Spero, you know damn well who holds the power in this country.

And we get to discuss what we want.
Even on Mumsnet.

No I am not stupid. People can discuss whatever they want on mums net. And if I disagree with it, I can say so.

Because the privileged minority in this country have white skin does not for ONE SECOND excuse or justify DA making racist comments.

And quite a lot of people this thread seem to think it does. Weird and nasty.

Yet another reminder (as if we need one) about how repellant this woman is, seeking to deny to other children what she wants for her own.

She actually makes me feel physically sick.

But I dont.
Which is why I dont understand why you seem so hung up on my posts. You have the right to disagree with me, of course you do, but you seemed to be objecting to me widening the discussion at all.

The priviledged may be a minority but they wield the majority of the power.

The unempowered white people are not worse off than the unempowered non white ones.
And I am sick of the suggestions that they are.

Yes it's ironic watching her getting tripped up by the same tricks she uses, but its doubly ironic - and a bit sad - that she is being howled down now, as what she is saying, taken in context, is correct.

But taken in WHAT context, Whatmeworry? Certainly not in the context she was talking.