Dale Farm Eviction

[niceguy2]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-15163750

It seems sanity has prevailed. Let's hope there are no more delays and the site is cleared ASAP

The violence so far has come from the protesters and the police have quite rightly defended themselves against it. At the end of the day we want a peaceful site clearance, but it is made impossible by the protesters' violence."

I wonder if even the travellers have any control over what is happening now.How many of the so called activists were just look for a fight anyway where ever

@blueberties.... On Planet Glasnost 'media manipulation' means that the media are not spotlighting your pet causes aggressively enough, or (horrors) occasionally agree with those you disagree with. :) People like glasnost are meat and drink for the alternative news industry of blogs, special interest websites and conspiracy theorists, which they regard as utterly credible. These sources are not manipulated in the slightest, of course.

"The only loonies are the rightwing haters on here."

Good lord. Someone's very excitable.

glasnost - 90% of planning permission applications made by gypsies are rejected compared to 20% overall. Facts and the truth cannot be manipulated.

That's quite naive and funny.

That just as clearly proves that they apply for things that are unreasonable so it's not proof of anything.

It must be soooo reassuring and give you a warm/fuzzy feeling inside to all sing from the same hymn sheet.

I'm sure I scent the sulphuric pong of Millbank at work here, too.

"Obtuse" is not rude. In the case Of Cogito it's euphemistic.

The violence has come from the protesters? First thing this morn when you lot were still eating your cornflakes laced with vitriol the police Tasered two residents. Yes, Tasered. That oh so innocuous weapon that can actually kill.

What would the collective noun for a bunch of MN rightwingers be?

Glasnost you need to respond to some of the eminently sensible things people are saying to you.

You are continuing to be rude and abusive, too, which must surely be a last resort.

I think the good thing is that the only two people I have had contact with today who support the Dale Farm protests (which is you and fifi) are quite difficult to take tremendously seriously.

My. mum always tells me that when I resort to insults that that's when I know I'm in the wrong!

lmao glasnost you know nowt about me and my views

oh and thats taken from the fact that it is y acknowledged that the activist are control not the travellers with regards the violence .

How many of the protesters on the scaffolding are travellers ? .

I could be wrong here but I think the only person who has been called a loon is glasnost.

There are other supporters of the travellers who haven't been called loons. I winder why that is. Oh yes we're all right wing gypsy haters because glasnost says so.

Am interested to see the new take on my name, cos it's all she has to offer

Finally some reasonable arguments from you glasnost. I agree with you, worth discussing, however by insulting people and behaving as you have you have dine nothing for the travelling community as a whole.

I will take the time to read your thread, as I've said before it's the minority of the bad travellers who ruin it for the good. And of course the professional protesters

Oh I do apologise. I'd taken as read posters would be au fait with all this. I'd heard MN was intellectually a cut above.

The Gypsies and Travellers were told that they should look for their own sites and buy their own land and that councils would give them planning permission.

Not true.

Too open ended. If they said that then the travellers would be buying and renting out places for factories, airports and such because they had a promise their pp requests would always be permitted.

You missed off the bit about "providing it was suitable" didn't you. :o

We've already covered the '80% of planning applications refused' as they have to be suitable requests. See above.

At least 5000 families were left without any legal home. Details? I think we'd have heard if 5000 families on a legal site were removed so I can only assume you mean that 5000 families arrived in this country and couldn't find anywhere to park. Not our problem I'm afraid and they should have thought about that before leaving home.

Human how the hell is that racist, i was pointing out that some of the immigrents who moved into flats were then rehoused wherever they wanted with 4k over people how have been waiting years for housing and people stuck on shitty estates but have paid their rent for years and are still stuck there. If it had of been English people i would have said English people or is that being racist

They knew it was happening so were taking flats on the said estate when everyone else was too scared to live there. I know because my mams the home help for some of the long standing residents who were are living in fear and dont want to leave the estate they have lived on all their lives and was once nice.

Let's see how the sharkers respond to those points of 12.38, shall we? Though I've a feeling they won't.

I'd heard MN was intellectually a cut above.

This from someone who thinks that 911 was done by the US government exploding bombs inside the building while agents of the secret world government held up cardboard planes and waggled them about to make it look like they were flying into it.

:o

they weren't left without a legal home. They can buy or rent a house like anyone else.
I've already countered your 90% 20% comment.
I can't comment for any other town, but mine has had two sites in the past, and is building another. The past sites were wrecked and rendered unuseable.
The new site hasn't been built yet and there has already been trouble.
I'm actually very anti government, and especially anti planning laws, but there's questioning, and then there is blatantly flouting for your own ends.

@glasnost. If you'd made your points of 12:38 at the start rather than wading in mouthing off about gas chambers you might find you'd have been taken more seriously. Credibility???

onagar you would be all for the UK optnig out of the human rights act, wouldn't you? "5000 families arrived in this country and couldn't find anywhere to park. Not our problem I'm afraid and they should have thought about that before leaving home."

The next place they haveto fllee to the same arguments could be used and so on and so on. Until...hey! They've got ABSOLUTELY nowhere left to go to. Except, hey, we could always organise a few gas chambers. (Insert inane emoticon.) What a charming human (?) being you are. And noone's covered the 90% planning permission rejected AT ALL. There's no reasonable explanation except naked, pure prejudice.

Hard to know where to start, really. This clinging to 'the law' like its an inevitable natural process is absurd. The one sided violence story seems to be playing well, too. Compareh and contrast clothing and equipment - which side looks like they're expecting a ruck? Who got tasered? By whom?

Its saying their is a resident in hospital with spinal injuries. The 2 tasered were apparently protesters.

applauds onagar. :)

Ooh it's gone all quiet in here. Where have the herd gone? Why aren't my eminently sensible points being addressed?

Fifis25 and alice the violence is, indeed, one sided. From the "law" (is, and can, be an ass) enforcers.

Instances of police violence reported by trained human rights observers and witnesses include:

-Witnesses report the use of tasers by police from the beginning of the eviction
-Police forced entry onto the site by using sledgehammers to break down a wall of a fully legal plot on the edge of the site. This is not only in violation of court order and constitutes criminal damage, but it is also highly dangerous. Vulnerable and elderly residents had stayed on that plot expecting to be safe as it is protected through court decisions, and were highly traumatised as police sledgehammered through the wall. At least two women residents sustained head injuries.
-Batons have been used on supporters and residents from the beginning of the eviction
-Severe injuries of residents and protesters have been witnessed by human rights observers and the press. One woman sustained such serious injuries from police that she had to be admitted to hospital.

• The plot of a resident who needs a breathing machine to survive has had it?s electricity cut.

But I'm sure quite a few on here would gladly see "cops beating gypsies on the pavement". That's a musical quote for you. From the 70's. Nowt's changer there, then.