Dale Farm Eviction

[niceguy2]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-15163750

It seems sanity has prevailed. Let's hope there are no more delays and the site is cleared ASAP

snice I am not melodramatic just passionate. Most of my mother's family were interred by the Nazis and obviously did not survive. The impact ruined her life and subsequently my father's. To get back to the Gypsies where the hell supposed to go. Ah of course it is a brownfield and no planning permission I couldn't care less what colour the site is green/brown/pink we have many many homeless people in this country When all these people have roofs over their heads we can start whinging about land. Surely people are more important than land.
glasnost---thanks

You're welcome 2old2beamum. There are alot of quite awful people on here with inhumane views whose hearts have been hardened by rightwing propaganda OR there are gov trolls at work whose posts are aimed at making us believe this anti gypsy hate is the popular consensus when I don't think it is. My grandfather fled Nazism and I can see the old trix at play here as was used by their propaganda machines.

If ppl care so much about land why don't they get up in arms about green belt land being eaten up by property developers? Building houses no bugger can afford to buy.

I do hop the local council has to rehouse them
and I got glasnost sarcasm and agree

Land with planning permission is more expensive than land without... for good reason. These poor people were either conned into buying the land thinking they could build or bought it in the full knowledge that they couldn't. Either way, building was not allowed. They've had many years to make their case, everyone's been very patient, but the time is now up. The council has to rehome the more vulnerable people involved (elderly, infirm, children) and has offered them permanent accommodation.

If there aren't enough legitimate sites for travellers that's a different issue.

Again all this talk about nazis. I don't think it helps. No one is suggesting that the travellers are killed just that they should not be allowed to get away with breaking the law. No one is suggesting that the nazis had the right idea, what happened in WW2 was horrendous, however just because a community/ race/ethnicity has been persecuted in the past does not mean that they shouldn't have to live by the laws that everyone else must abide by.

I also do no like all the anti gypsy/traveller comments, however you cannot condone this illegal settlement at the site.

glasnost I find the implications of what you're saying in your post of 12.57 offensive but I suppose its your right to say it, just as its my right to ignore it.

However to compare the enforcement of planning law in Essex with the extermination of various minority groups in 1940s Europe is, I would contend, 'melodramatic' to put it mildly.

You and I will not agree on this so I bow out of this thread and wish you a pleasant rest of the day

Comparisons with nazi's is simply an over the top reaction from people with no valid argument.

We're not talking about gassing people or shooting them. They've had ten years to make their case. They've exhausted all legal avenues and simply they do not have planning permission. End of.

To suggest they should be allowed to stay makes a mockery of our laws and invites others to start making all sorts of ridiculous claims and expect special treatment.

The sooner they move on, the better.

dalefarm.wordpress.com/

Well, it looks like the 'rent-a-cause' folk are being encouraged to come back and cement themselves to railings as their appeal has been refused...

Can they appeal any more or is this the end of the road? I can't help but think that the residents are going to be ridiculous about this and then one of them will get hurt being forcibly evicted, the whole thing will be halted and they will then sue BC for GBH or something and try to hold the process up for another ten years!

where are they going to go?
will the local council re house them?
will they just end up in a layby?

no-one seems to care about that part, do they Seven?

as long as justice has been done

Well done glasnost, on a lower level people are quite happy to avoid tax, VAT but god help the underdog who ? breaks the law or benefit claimants (sorry cheats) who claim a penny more than they are entitled to. Just heard on local news the eviction of Dale Farm is imminent. I am disgusted but not surprised.

I hope they move into niceguy2's street!

Anybody got any signposts!!

we could make some [hgrin]

I feel sorry for the genuine gypsies that have legitimate homes there, who have been blighted by all this.

I do not feel sorry for all the Irish travellers, some of whom have homes back in Ireland, bleating on about their rights as travellers.

Umm, travellers? The clue's in the name? So travel already?

Well since you are all so welcoming why don't you post your addresses here and they can come round your gaff. Since you won't all be using it, preferring instead to camp around the stock exchange.

Great - not before time.

As to the 'where should they go now' question - well, perhaps they should have thought about that when they built the site. They are not unintelligent, they knew exactly what they were doing, and they chanced it.

They can go back to the houses they own in Ireland, and let those who don't own houses can pitch up in their back gardens.

Simple and sorted!

At these times I am glad I am a humanist/atheist.

If anal retentive means I don't emit shit every five minutes like some others I could mention, I'm fine with that Glasnost.

And you probably need to consider whether it's good karma to hold grudges.

Still no one has answered my question. Those of you opposed to the eviction what do you propose. That they are allowed to stay?

How would you feel if your neighbour had built something illegally and it impacted on your home and your life?

I think to call people who believe that they should be moved on are evil completely ridiculous.

Could not care less. We live in a tatty old Victorian terrace house. We have built a massive extension for our two disabled children yes we did have planning permission thanks to our lovely neighbours, who could have objected. But thank goodness they had more humanity than you anti Gypsy haters.

I'm not anti-gypsy at all. To be honest I couldn't care less if they live in a palace or a cardboard box, as long as they are happy and they comply with the law. That is all.