Dale Farm Eviction

[niceguy2]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-15163750

It seems sanity has prevailed. Let's hope there are no more delays and the site is cleared ASAP

They moved onto the site when it had already been declared illegal and the travellers already there had been told they'd have to leave. No warning? They knew exactly what they were doing.

As someone said up thread. They could return to the properties that they own in Ireland, and those that don't could set up in their back yards.

as a side note i do feel that faces of the enforcements officers/bailiffs etc should not been captured in close up .

.Yes is a horrible situation whichever side you are on .But End of day they are just doing a job and if they do not work then there family will end up on the street

They got no warning they were coming in the back with a whole load of riot police. Where should they have took their kids?

and do you think people should be put to the back of the council list to rehaouse a whole community?

Er to the illegal site. They had years warning.

If they didn't know how come they bothered with the planks full of nails and the caravans ready to set on fire etc etc blah blah.

I don't think they were surprised.

No, I think the council were over-generous to offer .I think the travellers should move onto an available site, what with being travellers and what with there being available sites which they've been told about many times. Or just move on to the land with planning permission.

Choices, choices.

You don't get offered a council house if you keep turning them down. There are people on housing lists in great need. There are people sleeping on the streets who have nowhere. Why should people with money, who put themselves deliberately in an illegal situation be given housing over others? Regardless of their ethnicity?

So the council should have removed them 10 years ago when they knew they were starting to build on the site instead of letting people settle and kids go to school. Why did they not do all this then and save themselves 18m in the process to put back into housing. It is illegal now and was illegal 10 years ago.

The council have built 5 new council houses on my estate, do you know who are in them. 2 polish families and an iraqi family from and estate they are knocking down.

The immigrents were originally in the multi stories, they council have now paid over 2000 people 4k and a choice of a house anywhere so they can knock the other etstate down. They are not rebuilding houses. How the hell does that work.

There are 3200 people on waiting list on my district and 2800 council houses which are occupied.

Thats a long bloody wait for someone who cant buy.

no but they will no doubt get the blame for it

Fifi I don't llike your last post but one, it sounds a bit off to me. Disengaging.

fifi

People yelling that its racist to move travellers yet your then spouting racist stuff yourself

That's harsh language, Jodie, and I'd never go to a dinner party with fellow diners such as you.

Cogito you really strike me as obtuse at times. With this In the News comment you have surpassed yourself though. Who decides what's in the news? Who controls the media? Do you have ANY notion of how populations are controlled and manipulated through media propaganda? Personally the fact the US has started assassinating American nationals abroad using drones strikes me as more newswothy that an infringement of planning law but I don't see it featured on the news.

It's awful to watch. Where are they going to sleep tonight?

Oops Fifis25 you put your foot in it there.

Glasnost. Yes. The media can be manipulated. The dale farm coverage comes to us through the media in one form or another. How do you or any of us know that what we are seeing, reading, repeating are actual true facts, or media manipulated propaganda?
You accused me of listening to rumour, and made up lies up thread, but, unless you see the evictions first hand, how do you know any of it is true?
Even reports from residents or protesters, even the bbc can be one sided.

Glasnost would you rather this went on quietly, without media coverage?

I rather think the travellers and protestors are counting on it to be honest. Maybe you know more than me.

The media is a double edged sword in this one.

They report what's happening but at the same time has attracted the loonies and anarchists to support the traveller's. The types to just want to get a piece of the action, regardless of their actual personal views.

At the same time it's forced the council & police to be extremely careful about their moves lest they be accused by the average person (not the likes of Glasnost) that they are being heavy handed. Whether thats a good thing or not depends on your viewpoint.

"you have surpassed yourself".... finally, a compliment. Makes a change from the abuse. Thank you.

I''d like to see the media publicise the fact that 90% of planning permission applications made by gypsies are rejected compared to 20% overall. That's quite a vital thing to know in the context of all this. Facts and the truth cannot be manipulated.

Glasnost you want fact

rights or wrongs of the eviction

Theyshouting about eviction and racist .Sorry travellers themselves can and often are racist themselves .Yes it is fact, ask my mum who married outside of it or the trouble that my dad suffered from daring to date a girl from travelling background ( from her family ) .Whose family turned their back on her who still to this day will not acknowledge her or us .

Im fortunate that my mum was strong enough to walk away from it and make a life with my dad who ironic enough brought us up to be non racist full stop

You may have set yourself up to be "the average person" niceguy. You username is indicative of the fact you'd like to be seen as the average man on the street but you don't fool me. "Loonies and anarchists" is an abusive term to describe the human rights activists defending the gypsies. "Loonies and anarchists" are the UN inspectors who came over recently and expressed their concerns at the human rights violations implicit in this eviction?

The only loonies are the rightwing haters on here.

The flaws in your specious, ideologically motivated arguments are there for all to see who have eyes to see them. Most are so weary though they can't be bothered to engage. 90% planning permission rejected compared to 20% overall. Explain THAT.

I wonder, if we're looking "in context", how many of the 90% of gypsy planning applications that get turned down are because they want to live on green belt or farmland, something that is far outside the boundaries of planning law, and how many of the 80% of other applications that get through are people wanting extensions, or a new driveway?
Your argument is flawed in this respect, unless you have evidence to support the call of 'unfairness'.

Glasnost you called cogito "obtuse" for noticing this was in the news, suggesting that she hadn't noticed it was "in the news" because it's "media manipulation".

Is this a serious suggestion, that this is only in the news because of powerful people manipulating the media?

You shouldn't call people obtuse, it's very rude and you've no reason for it.