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Dale Farm Eviction

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niceguy2 · 12/10/2011 17:43

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-15163750

It seems sanity has prevailed. Let's hope there are no more delays and the site is cleared ASAP

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Fifis25StottieCakes · 20/10/2011 14:58

click on my last link and bother to read it. It has some information about racism directed at gypsies and just some of what they have to endure. It also explains other obstacles they face and may explain better than i why they set up illegal sites and live the way they do

I wouldnt post it unless i had read it from a reputable source. I used haven as an example of that sort of park where people take their tourers.

At appleby fair 2 years ago there were no Gypsy signs up. Now i thought that was racist

do people seriously think i just make this shit up.

I state again the gypsy are wrong for building without permission, any fool knows they have broke the law. Is no one interested why they have had to do that or why they have support. Obviously not.

People have the audacity to say i am racist. Part of being racist is ignorance. Do some research on the Internet. Theres plenty of Roma and travellers blogs and information out there. Just because you havent seen it doesnt mean it doesnt happen. They can actually use the internet you know.

Ive posted plenty of links yet they are ignored and dismissed as they say the opposite of what everyone wants to believe.

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SansaLannister · 20/10/2011 15:00

Chucks a Che Guavara tshirt at Haggy. Does this mean we get to live in a cool pad in Italy? :o

BookNerd · 20/10/2011 15:07

I've been following this story and it's a very difficult subject. On one hand, laws are laws and they've been broken.

On the other hand it seems mightily irresponsible to turf people out when they have nowhere to go. If they travel, it's back to fields and verges with no running water, electricity or sanitation. This isn't fair on anyone let along families with children.

The truth is racism against Roma is the only form of socially acceptable racism left. If you made a remark against anyone's race, people would look aghast. Make a comment about Gypsies and everyone will agree/laugh.

There needs to be a UK-wide series of caravan parks. But no-one wants them 'in their back yard' so what's the solution?

Do we get a situation like in the rest of Europe where Gypsies are attacked and killed? I spoke to one guy from Bulgaria who happened to open his front door for some reason, only to find a bomb on his doorstep. He got his family out just in time but it was only luck they survived.

Truth is, it's all very well upholding the law but where are these families supposed to go?

glasnost · 20/10/2011 15:14

Never been a fan of the Socialist Worker, bemybabe. Too SECTARIAN for my tastes. I suspect alot of posters on here would feel right at home there.

Booknerd is a sane voice so will be ignored. Fifi25 is a thoughtful, truthful poster so will be ignored.

Notsoniceguy am waiting for your reply. Where do you get your facts from?

HappyEnoughConsidering · 20/10/2011 15:17

Actually, travellers can and do live in bricks and mortar. Its just that a proportion of them CHOOSE not too. I am married into a traveller family, and each and every one of them live in either bricks and mortar houses, or in fixed units on a registered traveller site.
It is the same as in every community, the behaviour of a few tarnish the reputation of a whole.

Haggyoldclothbatspus · 20/10/2011 15:27

I didn't call you racist Fifi. I called you xenophobic.
Booknerd, rendering the gypsys homeless is the last resort. They have been offered housing, they have turned it down.

needanewname · 20/10/2011 15:30

Fifi, I apologise, I have only mentioned maths links, I will also look at yours. I do think you also make some valid points unfortunately you have been lumped in with glasnost.

Which goes to prove a point I have made several times, the minority bugger it up for others

Fifis25StottieCakes · 20/10/2011 15:33

no they havent haggy, post the link to say they have been offered housing in adequate accommodation. I know a family of 6 was offered one room in a hostel.

Not forgetting the whole argument is that the majority of them want to live within their tradition which doesnt involve bricks and motar and they are not required by law to do so.

I havent got a clue what a xenophobic is but if you say i am a one i must be.

Fifis25StottieCakes · 20/10/2011 15:34

btw haggy, i didnt say YOU had

Fifis25StottieCakes · 20/10/2011 15:37

sorry need my last post was a bit blunt Smile

BookNerd · 20/10/2011 15:50

Haggy - oh right. That's OK then. It's fine to ask them to give up hundreds of years of tradition because people don't want them anywhere. Some travellers will live in houses, some never have.

Majestic12 · 20/10/2011 15:51

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glasnost · 20/10/2011 15:58

needanewname why don't you stop mentioning me in your posts? I never mention, question or engage with you? You're starting to seem a tad fixated.

Notsoniceguy hasn't replied yet to my question yet re. the gypsies apparantly already having homes. WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFO FROM? And if just he could reply not minions in his lieu. Cheers.

Majestic12 · 20/10/2011 16:00

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glasnost · 20/10/2011 16:06

needanewname why don't you stop mentioning me in your posts. I never mention, question or engage with you? You're starting to seem a tad fixated.

Notsoniceguy hasn't replied yet to my question yet re. the gypsies apparantly already having homes. WHERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFO FROM? And if just he could reply not minions in his lieu. Cheers.

needanewname · 20/10/2011 16:06

No need to solitude fifi Grin. You were right if you've made a valid point (ESP if not resorting to insults) you shouldn't be ignored. Am supposed to be working now and out tonight but I really am interested and will take a look

needanewname · 20/10/2011 16:07

Wtf is up with my phone! Apologise nit solitude!

needanewname · 20/10/2011 16:08

Aha so you fun sly decide to get my name right. Well done. You have mentioned me in plenty of your rantings glasnost, guess you've conveniently forgotten them

needanewname · 20/10/2011 16:10

And it's niceguy2. Don't you know it's rude to change people's name, there's plenty of threads about it

needanewname · 20/10/2011 16:11

Bloody phone and autocorrectAngry

glasnost · 20/10/2011 16:12

Yep. She's fixated.

needanewname · 20/10/2011 16:13

You wish

hauntmenow · 20/10/2011 16:19

Majestic said "Hen why dont they buy land which can be used for camping or little brick houses? Same as everyone else."

Thats exactly what the travellers at Dale Farm did. Confused

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niceguy2 · 20/10/2011 16:21

Sheesh give ppl a chance! Whilst I post a lot on MN, I do have bouts of having to earn a living to pay my taxes to UK!

Why do I need to answer mate? Thought you answered it earlier for me. Ie. That'll be the respective owners of the DM and all the rest of the UK media

I note you haven't answered Majestic12's question. What's good enough for the goose.......eh?

On the other hand it seems mightily irresponsible to turf people out when they have nowhere to go.

But they have been given alternatives and they've turned them all down. Bricks & mortar is apparently impossible for them. Don't get it myself but there you go.

At the same time they've offered to sell the land for some ridiculous amount of money and go peacefully. Which means they must have had some idea where to go.

I suspect it's not a case of "have nowhere to go" but more a case of "have nowhere else they want to go"

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Haggyoldclothbatspus · 20/10/2011 16:24

Some travellers live in houses, some never have. Yes, and some live permanently in chalet homes on residential sites like Dale Farm. With brick buildings as kitchens and day living. What's the difference between that and a house?
Tradition or not, you can't break the law. People would have plenty to say if other Ethnic minorities started to exercise their traditions and break the law. Polygamy is against the law. Female circumcision is against the law. Suttee is fairly unlawful.
This country takes in many people, from many different cultures. There is acceptance of customs and traditions, but it has to be to a point. The laws is the law. Let one group flout the law and what's to stop everyone doing it?