Dale Farm Eviction

[niceguy2]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-15163750

It seems sanity has prevailed. Let's hope there are no more delays and the site is cleared ASAP

I'll leave you Blue to lay into Fifi25.

Let them go, ive realised how bigoted some people are, the travellers should go back to Ireland but im racist for pointing out other ethnic minorities can live within their culture.

Ive used the example of immigrants getting council housing as an example of what would happen if all the travellers are given priority. Other people who are despaerate and need them houses are shunned as they are not on the priority list.

Im off to finish my BNP leaflets

Lines are very blurred between whats racist and whats not. So you cant have a discussion about anything now as everything i say is racist. Its ok to be blatantly racist towards the Irish Travellers and Romany Gypsies without knowing anything about their history and culture. Pot, kettle, black.

Im pissing off back to ireland where i belong even though ive never been

Im off to finish my BNP leaflets

night

You're right Fifi25. OP, for example, is perfectly allowed to start a thread that's implicitly racist in intent yet when I've highlighted this bigotry I've been deleted. 2old2beamum's been deleted for paraphrasing a rude post upthread.

Strange times indeed. Apologies are still in order though.

Haggy - do you not question why they are breaking the law though

www.grtleeds.co.uk/information/raceIssues.html

Blue

Heres some info you may find interesting

www.grtleeds.co.uk/History/germany2.html

Yes. in some cases.
I really fail to see why the travellers should be exempt from planning laws though. They have been offered alternatives, but have turned them down. They dont want alternatives, or compromises. They want everything their own way. Other ethnic minorities from much more diverse cultures manage to stay within the laws of this country.
I personally would love to buy some land and live on it in a mobile home, I cannot, because its against the law. That doesnt mean that I should just go ahead with the purchase and rock up with my van! Ive been moved from my natural environment to a sinkhole estate. I didnt turn down housing and then go and squat on someone elses land because I didnt like it. I compromised. Because a roof is a roof, and you might take me out of the country, but you will never take the country out of me!

yes and you surrounded by people from your own culture and not racially abused. A quick google is a good idea. Maybe the persecution of gypsies or racism against gypsies

Make sure blue you click on the above link and also look at the history section. Some very interesting reading.

Math: there's no need to refer to a "gripe" as if it suddenly occurred to me. You've raised ethnicity as a reason why the travellers should be allowed to breach civil and criminal law, so I've addressed it.

(1) A 'gripe' is something that has just occurred to someone?
That's a new shade of meaning for 'gripe' for me.
(2) I raised ethnicity as a reason Travellers should be allowed to breach civil and criminal law?
No I didn't.

And please stop putting your own stupid words in my mouth.

Ethnicity comes into the picture because the Travellers are entitled to accommodation that is culturally appropriate, and this rules out brick and mortar, so 'offers' to place them in houses by Tony Ball are way off the mark. Most of them wish to live in their own community in their trailers and chalets. If these people were interested in council housing they would have joined the waiting list. They are well able to wait, as demonstrated by their protracted struggle to stay in Dale Farm.

Actually, I was abused when I lived on the estate. I was called a snob, threatened, my house was a target for vandalism, and I lived in fear.

thoses diverse culture all live in communities though, like the othodox population in Gateshead and the Muslim communities in the midlands. There not dotted here and there in the odd vacant council flat.

The gypsies have more right than anyone to live in this country IMO. Its quite interesting how they got to this point with uneducated adults and illiterate kids. Like i said research the history and the struggles they have had. There allowed to build, there not. Sites are abolished, sites are built, boom laws changed again.

There been plenty thread on here in the past about Gypsy kids in our schools to see what kind of reception they get. If i was a gypsy i wouldnt send my kids to school to get bullied by kids and adults alike.

so you should understand more than anyone why they dont want that haggy

WHY do gypsies have more right to live in this country than anybody?

No. I accepted the abuse, because I needed a roof over my head. At no point did I buy a caravan and move onto some random farmers piece of set aside.

because i bet if half the people on here done their family tree they would find out their ancestors had not been here as long as the Romanies have

that's your prerogative haggy, maybe they dont want that for their kids and who can blame them

and they didnt move onto a farmers piece of side, they bousght a disused scrap yarrd off the council

Yes, you may have a point about Romanies. however, Romanies are a different ethic grouping than the Dale farm travellers. Dale farms travellers are Irish.

But you cant have your cake and eat it. You cant call the homeless card, when you have been offered, and turned down housing. They did indeed buy a scrapyard, and then moved onto it without planning permission. Equally as illegal as moving onto set aside.

click the link above (1st one) to see how Irish travellers have been persecuted in Ireland for years. Thats probably why they fled here like other ethnic minorities

Haggy i will have to agree to disagree, the Irish and romanies are treat like crap and have been for years. Yes they are different, have different values and beliefs. They dont want to live in houses and never have. They cant travel and they cant buy land. If they do buy land and get planning no one wants them near them and make damn sure they know it. Rasicm towards a Gypsy's fine but dont say anything about the Musliims or Jewish because they live in houses.

Like ive said ive got absolutely no problem with them. They live in my town and cause a lot less bother than others i could mention on my council estate. (white english people by the way incase anyone says im being racist)

I dont support the activist moondogs but go ahead and tar all the gypsies with the same brush

Im off

They are called Irish in the sense that their origin is Irish, like Irish Americans, Irish Australians, etc. The name Irish Travellers distinguishes them from Scottish Travellers.

Romany, Roma, Irish and Scottish Travellers are all legally recognised ethnic minorities in the UK. The Irish Travellers are not recognised as an ethnic minority in Ireland.

They turned down accommodation in houses. The council claimed this was a bona fide offer and a solution to the Dale Farm imbroglio. They knew of course that housing in a house would be turned down by the Travellers, since they traditionally live in mobile housing and actually do travel, a lot of them, for part of the year. They feel they don't belong in houses any more than people evacuated after the Sheffield flood felt they belonged in the temporary accommodation they were housed in or the residents of New Orleans scattered to places like Utah after Hurricane Katrina.

'tar all the gypsies with the same brush'

Fifi, that is a racist expression.
You have really offended me.
I'll be reporting your post.