Dale Farm Eviction

[niceguy2]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-essex-15163750

It seems sanity has prevailed. Let's hope there are no more delays and the site is cleared ASAP

mathanxiety nobody lives in the town because their all blinking in dale farm

I have been to The town in question my oh is Irish and this is very true years

niceguy2 to bloody right the somali pirates will tell you all about that little racket we gave in with them now people are being I'd napped left and right

Can't be doing with the crashing Daily Mailism on here, too depressing. Wilful misrepresentation, complete inability to engage, too far beyond tedious. It is very similar to 'whatever her name is'; 'their cooking smells' Jade Goody (I'm not a racist). This time it's because they're so sexist and they don't get planning permission. Hilarious they want to stay in one plac e when they're called Travellers.

i think its disgusting that people are calling for the dale farm travellers to be gassed thats awful

Mary, i live a 10 minute walk away from a large legal site with caravans and statics.

Who's calling for that

Personally I just want them taught they are not outside the law and that this shit might fly in irland but the emerald isles this is not

Next job make sure their children are actually being educated Its illegal not to do so

I'm not sure saying "time to obey the law like the rest of us" is really equivalent to "you should be gassed"

has somebody explicitly said that? who on earth said that? if so it should be deleted

i was not saying that they should be gassed! thats total nonsense blueberties and very unfair

Exactly Maypole. If the insurance companies refused to cough up ever then the pirates would have stopped after the first couple of times. Now they know its a payday as soon as they get a ship.

Its exactly because the insurance companies are working on the principle that in that one single instance its cheaper to pay out that we've a situation where they're having to pay out all the time and so many nations are having to send their Navy in to try and put a semblance of control in place. In other words, it costs us all more in the long run.

Dale Farm is no different. If the council caved in, there'd be another group trying it on tomorrow.

An example of fine newspaper reporting here -- is this what you had in mind when you mentioned papers?

Tranquility -- not even the DM will come right out and say that all 82 or 96 of the families own Irish mansions (haha, have you ever been to Rathkeale?) No doubt the truth will come out when an inquiry is made into all of this, as the DCouncil is responsible for homeless people.

If I were a Basildon taxpayer, I would be inclined to think £4m is a bargain, Niceguy, and I would be asking serious questions about the sanity of my local representatives.

Money well spent? It will stop others doing the same? The very same people will now be forced to park along some road or other unsuitable place. So not even close to a solution to the issue. In fact, putting 82 families out on the road only creates a headache for potentially 82 other communities (as well of course as the headache for the 82 families, with their children, grannies, etc.)

Why will they be forced to park on the side of the road they have been provided with housing they said NO

And don't give me no bullshit about them needing to be free to travel they havent travelled for 10 years or they cannot live in houses my next door but one are travellers

But they'er not evicting everybody are they, just the ones on the illegal site.
Which means there will be a large group of travellers still there?
Or have I got that wrong?

"The very same people will now be forced to park along some road or other unsuitable place."

No they won't, they've been given details of legal, vacant sites just not where they want to be. Also if they'd stayed in caravans rather than built illegal homes, they could have moved their caravans to the legal site.

Shame about the "saddo" abuse. Last resort?

As a legally recognised ethnic minority, they are entitled to their traditional lifestyle, which includes aversion to brick and mortar housing and preference for housing that can be mobile, taken apart, moved to another location (prefab chalets), or caravans. Most spend part of the year (usually summer) travelling and then return to their base for the school year. No comparisons invited with the settled community taking their annual hols, please -- there is a distinction, based on the definition of minority and the fact that this particular minority has a traditional nomadic lifestyle.

That is why the Basildon DC 'offer' of housing was disingenuous and not made in good faith, and why the continued smugness of Tony Ball in telling anyone who will listen that the Council has done all it could do is arrant nonsense.

I know and to be fair they had x amount of millions to buy the land in the first place hardly poor are they

I a working person would never have enough to buy land

The 'built' homes are mostly chalets. And the word is unapproved, not 'illegal'. The distinction being that erecting a home somewhere is not a criminal matter but a matter of civil law.

mathanxiety what a crock of shit return for the school year you mean pull the girls out to clean when suits

Just because you are a ethic minority dose not mean you get to flout the law this is the issue we are having with forced marriages in the Asian population supports would claim its allow because it's their culture no its illegal just like building on green belt

They bought the land in 2002 for £120,000.

That designation and the apparent number of rights expected with it are a bit ridiculous in this day and age. Lots of people have to adapt to fit in. I understand many members of the Roma community have done so, for example. I don't see why the whole of society should bend to a minority to the disadvantage of others in the majority community. Respect is crucial: it should also be mutual. There is no mutuality of respect here. I'm sure you agree, though you'd say it's the travellers who are not being respected.

I think the travellers rights have been respected. I also think that various comments about a "Daily Mail" and "woolly" understanding of the law don't really apply to the High Court judge, and the various judges who've dealt with this case, and found in favour of the council.

I don't have that to buy land

And as Maypole mentions, I'm not really sure how being a member of an ethnic community justifies a breach of either the civil or the criminal law of the country you have chosen to live in.

The girls and boys are usually sent to school until they turn 12-14, then are taken out to learn whatever trade the family is involved in. On top of learning the trade, girls also are assigned domestic duties. My own grandfather left school at 14 to learn the ropes of farming, as I described earlier on this thread (but you haven't read the whole thread), and my aunts on the other side of my family spent probably at most 6 years in formal education, spread between boarding school, where they learned to run a home, and finishing school, where they learned the social graces and how to nab a rich husband, before being married off by age 21.

A lot of Travellers are behind the times in their attitude to girls, but education that prepares you for a decent job, for all boys and girls in the settled community to age 18, is not something that has always been available -- or even desired in this day and age, going by the high drop out rates.

Isnt this government suggesting that school now finishes at 14 for some children the proles ?