How the name of heaven can anyone support the Tories?

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I just don't get it. Unless you are a heartless multimillionaire - then it makes total sense of course.

I have to turn off Radio 4 when I hear Hague?Gove et al dribbling out their blatant lies/spin/venom especially early in the morning. How on earth can ANYONE not see them for what they are?

"So nice guy ..where are all the jobs for the public sector workers that are being made redundant?"
The same place the jobs are for everyone else that needs one.

Or do you think that public sector workers deserve to have special jobs put aside for them?

You are not listening Robf

The private sector are suffering job losses too..so where are the fucking jobs?

Yes, I was going to say that the confident statement made by the tories that th eprivate sector would provide more jobs, was of course just hogwash.

If cuts are made and people lose their jobs, it's tough. You just have to look for another one and accept that there are just not enough jobs in the country to go around.

"The private sector are suffering job losses too..so where are the fucking jobs?"

In businesses. Where else would they be?

Will there be jobs for everybody? No.

Do you think the public sector exists to provide jobs for people?

WEll, that does throw up an interesting perspective.

The state has to pay when people are unemployed and there are associated economic grumbles when lots of people are unemployed, such as not being able to put any money back into the economy and then indirect costs of supporting miserable, directionless members of society. So it can be argued that it is in the interests of the public sectort/government to provide jobs for people.

Is it fuck. That has been the problem with Labour, artificially creating needless jobs in their heartland (Liverpool & Glasgow, for instance) that they know the Tories will axe once they get into power. What we need is private sector investment in those areas, but that is hard to do when so many people there are bolshy and have terrible attitudes towards work and private sector employers.

Oh groan. So that's the level of your debate. Th eprivate sector could sort it out in a jiffy if only the people in need of jobs were'nt so bolshy. See ya.

When you have people who have been on benefits for years, or in public sector non-jobs that only exist to provide people with jobs, and they are suddenly thrown into private sector jobs when they are expected to work to a high standard, dress smartly and act respectfully towards colleagues and clients, what do you expect will happen?

If public sector workers or private sector for that matter ,(watch the news robf )
lose their jobs, lloyds for instance have announced job losses this week ..they have to go on benefits

So where are the jobs? there is no industry in this country anymore

poorer people will be put off going into higher education .ema loss ,higher tuition fees,fewer apprenticeships ,so higher youth unemployment

I really can't see how it can get any better

The only reason poorer people will be put off going into higher education is if lefties keep telling everyone that they have to pay fees up front and poor people can't afford it. Blatant lies. The new fees are far more inexpensive for working-class people, but more expensive for the middle-classes, and there lies the problem and the reason for all the bleating lately.

No no no ...we lefties know its not up front ..and there are no jobs for graduates either

LucaBrasi is right.

BusterGut - youve got it! And then all the offshore millionaires can get their hands on our tax money too, while the public service workers get a cut in pay and conditions. hurray, just what we need. Oh, no wait..

"No no no ...we lefties know its not up front ..and there are no jobs for graduates either"
I know you know, but it doesn't stop the likes of the SWP protesting "on behalf of students from working-class backgrounds". Despite the fact that they will be far better off under the new system than under the old one.

'Or do you think that public sector workers deserve to have special jobs put aside for them?'

No, just the ones they already have.

It there are no jobs in either sector available for people who wish to work, then a civilised rich country should supply benefits to allow people to live at a decent level and education and training so that skilled vacancies (if there are any) can be filled.

Not all that controversial really. What is your solution? Let the feckless unemployed and public sector 'scroungers' die on the streets? Really? I don't think even the most extreme Tories would actually enjoy living in that sort of society. For a start, it costs an awful lot to turn your house into a fortress to keep the starving hordes out.

We aren't a rich country anymore.

We can't afford to keep making jobs up for those too feckless to get jobs for themselves.

I think we should provide benefits for those that have not got jobs, but we should not subsidise their breeding. If anything, we should pay them NOT to breed.

I am amazed that anyone ever wants to vote Labour again!

Some people would vote for a pig with a red rosette on it. Thankfully the "Labour til I die" brigade are rapidly dying off.

Where are the jobs?

lol Rob- I nearly posted just before your reply that I knew you would say we are no longer rich.

What utter bollocks. The top 2% of this country have eaten a massive proportion of the wealth. It is time to tax some of it back and get our priorities right. No more middle eastern wars, for a start. (And I entirely blame Blair for the one before this, by the way).

So...your plan is to pay those without children more and presumably leave those with 'excessive' children to starve, along with said children.

Do you honestly think this will prevent 'breeding'? Do you want to live in a world where 'breeders and their children are punished by starvation? Really?

And sorry, I'm not Labour til I die- Blair finished me off- but I still think most right wingers talk utter hate-filled nonsense.

btw Rob I suspect your Plan B would be mass sterilisation of the 'feckless'? Bit Stalinist for a Tory, that....

The hate-filled ones are generally on the left. conservative people generally just want to be left alone to get on with their lives.

"btw Rob I suspect your Plan B would be mass sterilisation of the 'feckless'? Bit Stalinist for a Tory, that...."
Voluntarily sterilisation. As in, we'll pay you benefits at a reasonable level (higher than current JSA) and you will never be under and compulsion to look for work (and you can still claim the benefits if you do get a job), if you have no children and voluntarily agree to be sterilised.

Sorry Rob, it isn't me calling people 'feckless breeders'. If you want to be 'left alone to get on with your life', I'd question why you are on a parenting board writing incendiary things like that.

so... back to your interesting ideas on sterilisation. Being a feckless breeder (presumably whether you're 'feckless' or not is decided by people like you? Would the recently widowed qualify, or those unfortunate enough to lose jobs or partners while pregnant?), you outrageously don't agree to voluntary sterilisation.

Ergo, you and your fecklessly-bred child can starve.

I keep banging on the child, because if you can get your head around it, said child is another individual and not actually feckless him/her-self.

Solution? Workhouses? Forcible adoption? I'm all ears.

Go on then, show me figures. From a respected site.