Hey someone been murdered. Let's all talkabout it here

[GordianKnot]

Ok?
Who do you think did it? Bearing in mind what you saw on the news?

"Trying to turn in to self appointed moderators and start flame wars against any posters who offend your sensibilities is disrespectful to those who have gone and those who are grieving"

MN relies on MNers to be self moderated.

No idea what you mean by flame wars - this thread is light relief from reporting posts which either say disgusting things about the poor girl's family members or speculate on someones's guilt because of their appearance/profession/single status/something equally inane.

I fail to see how pointing out the disrespect is somehow more disrespectful than the disrespect itself? How can that be?

I think you are wrong. I think gut instinct can tell you alot about a person. It's more than appearance, it can also be how that person conducts themselves, whether or not they make eye contact etc.

Have you never met a guy who just creeps you out. You don't really know him but something tells you you don't like him, don't ant to be around him?

Do you extend this to children, or do you reserve your gut instinct to those over 18? Just curious.

OH MY GOD.

FWIW Beertricks I am actively involved with many adults with learning difficulties, including Aspergers and autism I am simply not talking about people with SN.

Newsflash - sometimes NT people are shifty/odd/weird for no other reason than they just are.

Drnortherner,
I take your point. I really do.

But meeting someone in a situation where you intuitively feel unnerved by a combination of behaviours and conversation in a certain proximity is very very different to posting on a webiste that a bloke must be a weirdo and therefore a murderer because of a clip on sky news.

I think that intuition is important. But itvis a subtle thing and often the read we get from a person is hard to put into words.
I am not saying that intuition should be ignored.
But when people turn that complex thing into sound bites and think it is ok I regard that as difficult to accept.

It is the difference between( to use my earlier comparison) saying ' there was a black bloke at the bus stop so I walked on' and saying ' there was a bloke at the bus stop and he moved too close for me to feel comfortable and he engaged in a way that was suggestive without my being able to quite explain why and so I moved on'

And fwiw you know how I will respond to the ' no eye contact ' thing won't you

I've just skimmed a couple of the other threads, and I see nothing whatsoever about SN.

The landlord has been arrested on suspicion of her murder ffs, presumably the police have a hell of a lot more to go on than any posters here, and have good grounds for that. Some people noticed something about how he conducted himself that seemed off prior to his arrest - maybe that shows they are perceptive.

Perceptive?

Unwind

In spite of the recent turn the issue is not about sn

Thecissue is about being judge and jury because of what someone looks like and how they act.

Of course no eye contact can mean Aspergers/Autism. It can also mean a shifty liar.

Give up on persuading DrNortherner to understand a different POV pag, I've just checked her profile and she's a.....

blonde.

But 'shifty' behaviour often alerts people to an incident about to take place, or to take a closer look because something does not fel right.

On hols this summer in Barcelona my pals and I were shopping in Las Ramblas and felt uncomfortable because 2 guys were circling the stalls we were looking at. They were being shifty and were probably about to steel a handbag.

They were shifty, nothing to do with SN.

This thread has nothing to do with SN.

unibrow...ver shifty or no tweezers?

Goblin - not a natural blond though

Yes. But that remains a clue, part of a miriad of information in a real life situation.
Not the same thing surely?

Pag, that is the point - it is an indication of sorts, not a perfect one, but people want to believe that they would sense danger, if they were to encounter someone who might harm them.

Sometimes odd behaviour is indicative of SN but there is no suggestion of that here.

people are innocent until proven guilty. Sadly many aspects of the media seem to overlook this these days.

So we should all ignore our instincts because there are certain people who appear a bit odd for different reasons?

I don't believe I have ever thought a person was 'shifty' or dangerous due to him having SN. It's subtle but you can often tell when a person has SN because the indicators are there...they are different to indicators of dodgy-ness.

IMO

as someone on the autistic spectrum

but maybe I am perceiving it wrongly. And maybe that's why people think I am dodgy. Which they have been known to.

Unwind

I understand that, i do. But do you take my point -that the leap from the quiet thought ' that man makes me feel uncomfortable for reasons I can't explain' to ' that man looks weird therefore must be guilty' is too great and unreasonable.

And this bizarre belief that we wil know if someone is 'odd' and therefore dangerous gets people into trouble.
Wang pedophiles to look shifty. Thatvway they don't have to worry about keeping their kids safe -just keep them away from weirdos.
Of course pedophiles look like us.

And I have saud several times that this has nothing to do with sn but is to do with making assumptions based on a snapshot

Flight,

I have posted I believe twice that instinct is important.

But I have also said it is complex and multiple layered and not about looking at a photo and assuming he looks dodgy ergo...

Yes I agree with you Pag. I think most people would tbh.

It's a very small minority that would seek to argue a snapshot can tell you everything relevant about a person - and I think those on the other thread who said 'he did look a bit dodgy' were perhaps referring to the video of him speaking, and the character that came across from that...maybe.

I found it hard to tell an awful lot from it but he does have funny eyebrows. that much is a given.

I just find it surprising that so many people are prepared to condemn someone under suspicion because he looks a bit strange.

I hope these people are never on a jury.