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Fluffyholeysocks · 08/08/2026 07:53

What are your thoughts on the article OP?

Ohthatsabitshit · 08/08/2026 08:00

Nobody seems to have any issue with white Muslims though. I think it’s less Islamophobia that is on the rise and more racism is becoming more mainstream and overt.

Coconutter24 · 08/08/2026 08:21

It’s rising because of all the illegal immigrants entering the UK. Not many people were bothered that they shared a country with Muslims, everyone got on with their day and went about life. Now the rise in illegal immigration is drawing everyone’s attention to it, they’re not bringing anything positive towards society they are just here to take, causing resentment.

Yello24 · 08/08/2026 08:23

You’d have to define Islamophobia properly first. It’s OK to dislike controlling and proselytising religion. It’s OK to recognise threats to free speech. It’s OK to believe that all religions should be able to be freely mocked. It’s OK to recognise the threats to democracy and women’s rights and Jewish people posed by increasing islamism.
It’s not OK to treat any person disrespectfully or attack people and property.

Any group can complain about prejudice towards its members. The stats don’t show that Muslims are particular victims in the UK. I abhor racism and violence but I don’t want to see a rise in the proportion of Muslims in the UK. I don’t see it as a good thing. I don’t consider myself an ‘Islamophobe’.

user293948849167 · 08/08/2026 08:43

Yello24 · 08/08/2026 08:23

You’d have to define Islamophobia properly first. It’s OK to dislike controlling and proselytising religion. It’s OK to recognise threats to free speech. It’s OK to believe that all religions should be able to be freely mocked. It’s OK to recognise the threats to democracy and women’s rights and Jewish people posed by increasing islamism.
It’s not OK to treat any person disrespectfully or attack people and property.

Any group can complain about prejudice towards its members. The stats don’t show that Muslims are particular victims in the UK. I abhor racism and violence but I don’t want to see a rise in the proportion of Muslims in the UK. I don’t see it as a good thing. I don’t consider myself an ‘Islamophobe’.

Exactly this

dairydebris · 08/08/2026 09:05

I think all the isms are rising because times are tough, and the internet has given a mouthpiece and following to fuckwits, making us all vulnerable to populist politians and demagogues who seek to exploit our human fears to gain power for themselves.

The internet has amplified all that is problematic about humans.

It's not just the UK.

Owly11 · 08/08/2026 09:35

Yello24 · 08/08/2026 08:23

You’d have to define Islamophobia properly first. It’s OK to dislike controlling and proselytising religion. It’s OK to recognise threats to free speech. It’s OK to believe that all religions should be able to be freely mocked. It’s OK to recognise the threats to democracy and women’s rights and Jewish people posed by increasing islamism.
It’s not OK to treat any person disrespectfully or attack people and property.

Any group can complain about prejudice towards its members. The stats don’t show that Muslims are particular victims in the UK. I abhor racism and violence but I don’t want to see a rise in the proportion of Muslims in the UK. I don’t see it as a good thing. I don’t consider myself an ‘Islamophobe’.

This. Absolutely this. Islam, especially in its extremer forms, is a religion that is not compatible with British law and values. I absolutely abhor much of what it stands for and do not want any religion taking over public life. We separated the state from religion a long time ago (even though remnants remain) and I don't want a return to that, especially if the religion is proselytising, homophobic and misogynistic. I can't think of a more awful backwards step. It's absolutely ok to strongly reject any religion without being racist.

Olderbutt · 08/08/2026 10:05

Owly11 · 08/08/2026 09:35

This. Absolutely this. Islam, especially in its extremer forms, is a religion that is not compatible with British law and values. I absolutely abhor much of what it stands for and do not want any religion taking over public life. We separated the state from religion a long time ago (even though remnants remain) and I don't want a return to that, especially if the religion is proselytising, homophobic and misogynistic. I can't think of a more awful backwards step. It's absolutely ok to strongly reject any religion without being racist.

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Absolutely 100%

Ohthatsabitshit · 08/08/2026 10:12

But is Christianity “in its extreme forms” compatible with modern laws and thinking? And surely you must be at least vaguely aware that it’s only non-white Muslims that seem to be an issue? To be frank I’d say that doesn’t go far enough. I’d say it is not focused on the Muslims in the far east either. So what is the defining characteristic of these people that are the focus of so much distrust? I’d say it’s their skin colour and this is racism not Islamophobia.

Owly11 · 08/08/2026 11:01

Ohthatsabitshit · 08/08/2026 10:12

But is Christianity “in its extreme forms” compatible with modern laws and thinking? And surely you must be at least vaguely aware that it’s only non-white Muslims that seem to be an issue? To be frank I’d say that doesn’t go far enough. I’d say it is not focused on the Muslims in the far east either. So what is the defining characteristic of these people that are the focus of so much distrust? I’d say it’s their skin colour and this is racism not Islamophobia.

Christianity no longer is part of public life in any meaningful way and is not trying to become so. Unlike Islam which is a dangerous proselytising religion even in its milder forms. Christianity allows people to leave the religion unlike Islam, which demands death of anyone who leaves the religion. So think about that for a minute - a religion it isn't safe to leave, that has a very specific aim at its very heart to take over other countries and believes that it has god and morality on its side to kill others. Christianity is a dwindling religion in the UK, Islam is a worldwide threat including in the UK. For the reasons stated above (no one can leave, active recruitment and aggression used to get into positions of power) Islam is growing fast, we need to pay attention to the threat and to do so is not remotely racist.

Yello24 · 08/08/2026 22:28

Ohthatsabitshit · 08/08/2026 10:12

But is Christianity “in its extreme forms” compatible with modern laws and thinking? And surely you must be at least vaguely aware that it’s only non-white Muslims that seem to be an issue? To be frank I’d say that doesn’t go far enough. I’d say it is not focused on the Muslims in the far east either. So what is the defining characteristic of these people that are the focus of so much distrust? I’d say it’s their skin colour and this is racism not Islamophobia.

Nope. People just don’t like the religion. We spent a thousand years struggling against corrupt and misogynistic religious leaders and their control. So we’re suspicious of a highly controlling and intolerant religion that is growing so fast and causing so many problems.
I don’t like the attempt to shut down debate by claiming racism. You are not wrong to be upset by the rise in attacks on Muslims. It’s despicable. All violence and persecution of people for their religion is heinous. I feel terrible for British Jews for example. The most persecuted people in the UK. Do you agree?

Octavia64 · 08/08/2026 22:32

An increasing number of people don’t like any religion.

christianity and Islam both have issues with gay people which does not align well with the view modern society takes on these. My dd who is gay resolutely refuses to have anything to do with Christianity because of this.

SalmonOnFinnCrisp · 08/08/2026 22:33

Yello24 · 08/08/2026 08:23

You’d have to define Islamophobia properly first. It’s OK to dislike controlling and proselytising religion. It’s OK to recognise threats to free speech. It’s OK to believe that all religions should be able to be freely mocked. It’s OK to recognise the threats to democracy and women’s rights and Jewish people posed by increasing islamism.
It’s not OK to treat any person disrespectfully or attack people and property.

Any group can complain about prejudice towards its members. The stats don’t show that Muslims are particular victims in the UK. I abhor racism and violence but I don’t want to see a rise in the proportion of Muslims in the UK. I don’t see it as a good thing. I don’t consider myself an ‘Islamophobe’.

This in spades.

floppybit · 08/08/2026 22:37

Yello24 · 08/08/2026 08:23

You’d have to define Islamophobia properly first. It’s OK to dislike controlling and proselytising religion. It’s OK to recognise threats to free speech. It’s OK to believe that all religions should be able to be freely mocked. It’s OK to recognise the threats to democracy and women’s rights and Jewish people posed by increasing islamism.
It’s not OK to treat any person disrespectfully or attack people and property.

Any group can complain about prejudice towards its members. The stats don’t show that Muslims are particular victims in the UK. I abhor racism and violence but I don’t want to see a rise in the proportion of Muslims in the UK. I don’t see it as a good thing. I don’t consider myself an ‘Islamophobe’.

Well said! I completely agree.

Ohthatsabitshit · 08/08/2026 23:47

Yello24 · 08/08/2026 22:28

Nope. People just don’t like the religion. We spent a thousand years struggling against corrupt and misogynistic religious leaders and their control. So we’re suspicious of a highly controlling and intolerant religion that is growing so fast and causing so many problems.
I don’t like the attempt to shut down debate by claiming racism. You are not wrong to be upset by the rise in attacks on Muslims. It’s despicable. All violence and persecution of people for their religion is heinous. I feel terrible for British Jews for example. The most persecuted people in the UK. Do you agree?

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I’m not sure what you are asking me I agree with? I’m not sure why saying you see racism rather than Islamophobia is somehow going to shut down discussion. Do Muslims from all races get the same response? I don’t think they do.

Digerydont · 08/08/2026 23:54

Octavia64 · 08/08/2026 22:32

An increasing number of people don’t like any religion.

christianity and Islam both have issues with gay people which does not align well with the view modern society takes on these. My dd who is gay resolutely refuses to have anything to do with Christianity because of this.

My local Methodist cutch is very welcoming of gays

Doradormouse · 08/08/2026 23:56

Ohthatsabitshit · 08/08/2026 10:12

But is Christianity “in its extreme forms” compatible with modern laws and thinking? And surely you must be at least vaguely aware that it’s only non-white Muslims that seem to be an issue? To be frank I’d say that doesn’t go far enough. I’d say it is not focused on the Muslims in the far east either. So what is the defining characteristic of these people that are the focus of so much distrust? I’d say it’s their skin colour and this is racism not Islamophobia.

"But is Christianity “in its extreme forms” compatible with modern laws and thinking?"

I would say 'yes' unless we are talking about the Westboro Baptist Church....

Theworldsgonemadagain · 08/08/2026 23:56

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Digerydont · 08/08/2026 23:59

Lots of Christian churches are accepting of LGBT people.

Theworldsgonemadagain · 09/08/2026 00:00

Yes and for good reason. Islamists account for 75% of terror threats to the UK. We have had so many incidents you'd have to be a moron to still think it's a religion of peace.

Digerydont · 09/08/2026 00:03

The Muslim Council of Great Britain opposed the repeal of section 28.

TempsPerdu · 09/08/2026 00:03

Yello24 · 08/08/2026 08:23

You’d have to define Islamophobia properly first. It’s OK to dislike controlling and proselytising religion. It’s OK to recognise threats to free speech. It’s OK to believe that all religions should be able to be freely mocked. It’s OK to recognise the threats to democracy and women’s rights and Jewish people posed by increasing islamism.
It’s not OK to treat any person disrespectfully or attack people and property.

Any group can complain about prejudice towards its members. The stats don’t show that Muslims are particular victims in the UK. I abhor racism and violence but I don’t want to see a rise in the proportion of Muslims in the UK. I don’t see it as a good thing. I don’t consider myself an ‘Islamophobe’.

This for me too. And you could probably describe me as Islamophobic insofar as I fear the potential consequences, especially for women, of Islam becoming an increasingly dominant and strident force within the U.K.. I actually see this as a more pressing cultural issue than raw immigration numbers, DEI etc.

attichoarder · 09/08/2026 00:04

I am not sure Islamophobia has risen , what has changed is what people believe to be Islamophobia. Holding a view about a person’s religion is not a phobia and disagreeing with a view is not a phobia. The problem in my view is the fact that those views are seen a phobia which they are not, we have freedom of thought and upto a point freedom of speech.

Gingernaut · 09/08/2026 00:08

Many people in the UK have seen first or second hand what religion has done

Sectarian terrorism, the forced adoption of the children of single/raped women and girls, Magdelene Laundries, homes for 'fallen' women and the persecution of 'non-standard' lifestyles

Any overt displays of religion - clothing, diet, lifestyle or behaviour is looked upon with suspicion

Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholicism, Muslims, Sikhs, Hindus - all are regarded with side eyes, and suspicion, regardless of 'good' the individuals are

As more and more portions of the country declare themselves as atheists, the overtly religious are increasingly regarded as extremists or crackpots

Doradormouse · 09/08/2026 00:13

@Gingernut "As more and more portions of the country declare themselves as atheists, the overtly religious are increasingly regarded as extremists or crackpots"

I'd like you to voice that view in Northern Ireland......