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Whenwillitrainagain · 09/08/2026 00:17

TempsPerdu · 09/08/2026 00:03

This for me too. And you could probably describe me as Islamophobic insofar as I fear the potential consequences, especially for women, of Islam becoming an increasingly dominant and strident force within the U.K.. I actually see this as a more pressing cultural issue than raw immigration numbers, DEI etc.

I agree too. The thought of this country becoming Muslim majority is very frightening, especially as we seem to be heading in that direction.

Gingernaut · 09/08/2026 00:18

Doradormouse · 09/08/2026 00:13

@Gingernut "As more and more portions of the country declare themselves as atheists, the overtly religious are increasingly regarded as extremists or crackpots"

I'd like you to voice that view in Northern Ireland......

Exactly my point

They are so fixed in their views, that any dissent, disagreement or attempt at debate is treated as an attack

So many people regard their religion as effectively part of their personalities, that even saying, "Nah, I'm not religious", is regarded as a personal attack

Whenwillitrainagain · 09/08/2026 00:21

Ohthatsabitshit · 08/08/2026 10:12

But is Christianity “in its extreme forms” compatible with modern laws and thinking? And surely you must be at least vaguely aware that it’s only non-white Muslims that seem to be an issue? To be frank I’d say that doesn’t go far enough. I’d say it is not focused on the Muslims in the far east either. So what is the defining characteristic of these people that are the focus of so much distrust? I’d say it’s their skin colour and this is racism not Islamophobia.

150 000 Christians have been murdered in Nigeria by Muslims. If you leave Islam you are supposed to be killed. There is a lot wrong with Islam. It’s nothing to do with skin colour.

Gealach · 09/08/2026 00:37

Owly11 · 08/08/2026 11:01

Christianity no longer is part of public life in any meaningful way and is not trying to become so. Unlike Islam which is a dangerous proselytising religion even in its milder forms. Christianity allows people to leave the religion unlike Islam, which demands death of anyone who leaves the religion. So think about that for a minute - a religion it isn't safe to leave, that has a very specific aim at its very heart to take over other countries and believes that it has god and morality on its side to kill others. Christianity is a dwindling religion in the UK, Islam is a worldwide threat including in the UK. For the reasons stated above (no one can leave, active recruitment and aggression used to get into positions of power) Islam is growing fast, we need to pay attention to the threat and to do so is not remotely racist.

Catholics can’t technically leave as baptism is believed to leave a mark on one’s soul. If you are non practicing you are considered to be living in a state of mortal sin. There are different strands of thought within Islam, like there is within Christianity, about leaving.

Christianity aims for the spiritual conversion of all mankind to the faith. So I’m not sure that your arguments make sense.

I believe in a secular society where there is a complete separation of religion and state

FiveMetresUp · 09/08/2026 00:39

Islamaphobia = scared of Islam.
Maybe if they stopped killing us we wouldn't be scared of them.

Gealach · 09/08/2026 00:43

Whenwillitrainagain · 09/08/2026 00:17

I agree too. The thought of this country becoming Muslim majority is very frightening, especially as we seem to be heading in that direction.

6% of the population is Muslim and research has shown that even if the population grew rapidly, there is no scenario where there will be a Muslim majority within thd next 25 years or so.

The significant shift we are seeing is that people with no religion is rising and could become a majority. Which I think is good here really.

MyPlumHelper · 09/08/2026 00:44

Phobia means irrational fear. I don't often think the fear is irrational.

Whenwillitrainagain · 09/08/2026 07:52

I’ll still be alive in 25 years, so will the next generation of my family. 25 years is no time. My mother has 4 grandchildren, my Muslim next door neighbours have 23 grandchildren, and they’ve had their grandchildren at a much younger age than my mother did. The younger generation are much more aggressive about their faith than their parents, wearing anti Zionist slogans on their T-shirts, playing loud calls to prayer, praying en masse in the garden.
Will we be safe going to church in 25 years, or will we be like the Christians in Nigeria? There are already areas like Tower Hamlets where Muslims are claiming it’s their area.

Wibble128 · 09/08/2026 08:11

A phobia is an irrational fear. The fear of Islam is rational for those who cherish the Western way of life and support womens freedoms. The killings of Christians in Africa and burning of churches is a warning. An ex colleague openly told a group of us at work in the 90s that his religion will dominate and we will be killed.

Ohthatsabitshit · 09/08/2026 08:12

Whenwillitrainagain · 09/08/2026 07:52

I’ll still be alive in 25 years, so will the next generation of my family. 25 years is no time. My mother has 4 grandchildren, my Muslim next door neighbours have 23 grandchildren, and they’ve had their grandchildren at a much younger age than my mother did. The younger generation are much more aggressive about their faith than their parents, wearing anti Zionist slogans on their T-shirts, playing loud calls to prayer, praying en masse in the garden.
Will we be safe going to church in 25 years, or will we be like the Christians in Nigeria? There are already areas like Tower Hamlets where Muslims are claiming it’s their area.

But surely you have heard church bells calling Christians to prayer? I’m not sure people praying is particularly terrifying or wrong. As for anti-Zionist T-shirts, that’s a fairly common and mainstream view among many faiths now. So what is so terrifying? That their family are “bigger” than yours?

Corianda · 09/08/2026 08:19

Medieval religion - having lived in 2 Muslim countries.

Owly11 · 09/08/2026 08:21

Gealach · 09/08/2026 00:37

Catholics can’t technically leave as baptism is believed to leave a mark on one’s soul. If you are non practicing you are considered to be living in a state of mortal sin. There are different strands of thought within Islam, like there is within Christianity, about leaving.

Christianity aims for the spiritual conversion of all mankind to the faith. So I’m not sure that your arguments make sense.

I believe in a secular society where there is a complete separation of religion and state

Catholicism commits great evil against children by instilling them with a lifetime of guilt and shame. I am not in favour of Catholicism either. But firstly they don't preach ACTUAL death to those who leave, so once the person is psychologically freed from the idea that they will go to hell they will still be physically alive to enjoy the rest of their lives, unlike in Islam. Secondly, no one accuses me of racism for disliking and calling out the problems with Catholicism and I can do so freely without being in fear of my life, unlike Islam where if you were to do anything they don't like, eg show a picture of the prophet or criticise Islam publicly your career and your right to privacy and safety are over like they were for the poor school teacher, or for Salman Rushdie.

Ohthatsabitshit · 09/08/2026 09:06

I’m not sure how real the idea that you will be killed if you leave really is? Certainly it’s the first time I’ve heard it and there are countless lapses Muslims (as there are Christians, Jews, Hindus and from all other faiths).

I’m fascinated that anyone doesn’t see the racism.

Whenwillitrainagain · 09/08/2026 09:08

Ohthatsabitshit · 09/08/2026 08:12

But surely you have heard church bells calling Christians to prayer? I’m not sure people praying is particularly terrifying or wrong. As for anti-Zionist T-shirts, that’s a fairly common and mainstream view among many faiths now. So what is so terrifying? That their family are “bigger” than yours?

No, not their individual family, but it shows the trajectory that we are on as a country. The thought that we could end up in a Muslim majority country is terrifying. The thought that we could end up under Sharia law is terrifying. The thought that our rights as women might be taken away is terrifying. The thought that we won’t be free to choose our own faith is terrifying.
Islam is not kind to non-Muslims once they are the majority.

Doradormouse · 09/08/2026 09:12

Whenwillitrainagain · 09/08/2026 00:17

I agree too. The thought of this country becoming Muslim majority is very frightening, especially as we seem to be heading in that direction.

I'm more concerned about issues like this - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y36meel2yo

A sign on the building for the Charity Commission for England and Wales

Charity watchdog investigates aid charity over alleged Hamas links

The Al-Khair foundation says it is "co-operating fully" with the Charity Commission's inquiry.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5y36meel2yo

Doradormouse · 09/08/2026 09:23

Gealach · 09/08/2026 00:37

Catholics can’t technically leave as baptism is believed to leave a mark on one’s soul. If you are non practicing you are considered to be living in a state of mortal sin. There are different strands of thought within Islam, like there is within Christianity, about leaving.

Christianity aims for the spiritual conversion of all mankind to the faith. So I’m not sure that your arguments make sense.

I believe in a secular society where there is a complete separation of religion and state

Catholics can’t technically leave as baptism is believed to leave a mark on one’s soul. That's not correct.

In 1943, Bl. Pius XII released the encyclical Mystici Corporis, in which he articulated membership in the Catholic Church this way:
"Actually only those are to be included as members of the Church who have been baptized and profess the true Faith, and who have not been so unfortunate as to separate themselves from the unity of the body, or been excluded by legitimate authority for grave faults committed"

You would still carry the indelible marks on your soul of baptism and confirmation , but you would no longer be a member of the Church and thus not a Catholic.

Certainly, the person himself might no longer identify as a Catholic. For example, if a person decided to reject the dogmas that the Church has defined and joined a Protestant church, he would no longer consider himself a Catholic, but a Protestant.
Ceasing to identify as a Catholic would be even more obvious in the case of an apostate, for to commit apostasy, one must entirely renounce Christianity and be willing to say, “I am no longer a Christian.”

Please do not spread misinformation.

Doradormouse · 09/08/2026 09:29

@Owly11 "Catholicism commits great evil against children by instilling them with a lifetime of guilt and shame. "

This statement shows how little you understand the Catholic Faith and in your misunderstanding you seek to pervert the teachings of the Faith. (For what purpose, I have no idea)

Ohthatsabitshit · 09/08/2026 09:40

@WhenwillitrainagainThe thought that we won’t be free to choose our own faith is terrifying.” I mean isn’t it more accurate to say you don’t want others to be allowed to choose their faith? Have you ever lived in a predominantly Muslim country? Do you know any British Muslims here in the uk?
What if instead we became a predominantly Catholic country? How would you feel about that? Realistically even with extremely large families it’s highly unlikely and if it did happen that way wouldn’t that mean the majority of citizens wanted that way of living.

hattie43 · 09/08/2026 09:55

Yello24 · 08/08/2026 08:23

You’d have to define Islamophobia properly first. It’s OK to dislike controlling and proselytising religion. It’s OK to recognise threats to free speech. It’s OK to believe that all religions should be able to be freely mocked. It’s OK to recognise the threats to democracy and women’s rights and Jewish people posed by increasing islamism.
It’s not OK to treat any person disrespectfully or attack people and property.

Any group can complain about prejudice towards its members. The stats don’t show that Muslims are particular victims in the UK. I abhor racism and violence but I don’t want to see a rise in the proportion of Muslims in the UK. I don’t see it as a good thing. I don’t consider myself an ‘Islamophobe’.

Very well written . Sums up how I feel .

BlakeCarrington · 09/08/2026 09:58

Gealach · 09/08/2026 00:43

6% of the population is Muslim and research has shown that even if the population grew rapidly, there is no scenario where there will be a Muslim majority within thd next 25 years or so.

The significant shift we are seeing is that people with no religion is rising and could become a majority. Which I think is good here really.

Oh 25 years. That’s ok then. What a terrible prospect for us all.

BlakeCarrington · 09/08/2026 10:01

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BlakeCarrington · 09/08/2026 10:05

If standing up against medieval misogyny counts as Islamophobia then count me in. Assigning a “phobia” label to this completely well grounded fear won’t fool anybody.

YesWeCan2026 · 09/08/2026 10:17

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They said that anti-Zionism is a mainstream view, which it is - they didn’t say anything about anti-semitism. In fact, conflating the two is anti-semitic in itself, so I wouldn’t do that.

I’m very anti-Zionist because I’m very anti any extremist ideology.

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BlakeCarrington · 09/08/2026 10:29

Anti Zionism / antisemitism- 2 cheeks of the same arse. As if ordinary Jewish people in the UK or in Israel have any say whatsoever in what their government does, much like our own dear band of fuckwits. If you’re antisemitic at least have the courage to own it rather than trying to hide it via word salad.

LoveItaly · 09/08/2026 10:32

Whenwillitrainagain · 09/08/2026 00:17

I agree too. The thought of this country becoming Muslim majority is very frightening, especially as we seem to be heading in that direction.

Yes, and the concept of ‘Islamophobia’ is being used very well to prevent us from talking about this and expressing our concerns. As it was no doubt intended.