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The Hoarders Anonymous Thread #7. Keep On Keeping On!

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Solo · 10/10/2022 22:04

We are a mixed group of likeminded householders that are leading somewhat challenging lives; be that living with too much 'stuff' that we find difficult to deal with, houses that are falling apart (mine included), health issues within the family unit, wider family, or ourselves (myself included) that means sorting out our households is challenging, to say the least. So...

You are all welcome to join us for support, adding your own ideas to help others out, storage ideas, and even tips on actually getting those items out of the house which sounds so simple when you say it, but this part can be so very difficult; we are often attached emotionally to our 'things', afraid of letting things go just in case we need them.
Encouragement and support abound here, and we do not criticise. EVER! We even try not to criticise ourselves as it's not helpful to anyone, but this can be very difficult not to do.

If you are feeling overwhelmed by clutter, mess, disorganisation and generally don't know where to start. If you can't be bothered, but really do want to be bothered. If you think you are a bit lazy, or if you just need to see your highs and lows and everything in between on the screen here, join us, and we will help you. We'll virtually high-five your achievements - small or large, and virtually hug you when the need arises, and if you want a hug, just ask because we are here for you, here for one another because we get it. The art of washing up is sometimes our great achievement of the day, but it's still an achievement.

Welcome to thread #7 of Hoarders Anonymous - Keep On Keeping On!

Thread #6 HERE

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Miaowse · 25/09/2023 16:38

I love reading updates too, definitely not put off by posts but I changed settings so didn’t get any alerts for a while. I feel a bit depressed - “no progress here” is all I can truthfully post.

well done to all you amazing people taking action whether big or small, it’s all worth it!

Elleherd · 26/09/2023 09:03

Miaowse Flowers there’s a lot of it about. I don't know if this helps or not, but as you know motivation follows action. When I'm at em-passe I go back to to one solitary bottle etc out, or one foot of a surface. Small and achievable goals.

With Halloween and Christmas coming up, I'm about to be very snowed under with work projects. I make most of our annual income from this time of year, and progress on other stuff tends to go out of the window. I’ve learnt a few things about what goes wrong from documenting on this thread, and can’t afford to allow it more. CoL crisis means the amount and quality expected of work will be the same, but profit expected to be lower, to pay for higher bills.
I’m hoping to use up some of what’s in storage, and need to reorganise it, but time.
Have to work out how to keep going with sorting out aunts, ours and storage unit situations, in mainly small increments in those few hours available, but without overdoing it, and still be able to have energy for work.

This morning’s attempt before going in to work is a form of churning in the name of space making and organization: - four carrier bags of work-related glass bottles (annoyingly still waiting to be de-labelled) one of cardboard tubes, and one bag of materials into vehicle, to go to storage. Must be achieved by the end of the weekend.
Four bottles into work.
Eight items into bin/recycling in the process.
One Christmas present brought the other day, photographed and pre- wrapped.
Post and leave (almost on time😊)

Elleherd · 27/09/2023 09:04

Yesterday's meetings and prep at workspace turned into an eleven hour stint mostly unpaid! But; next doors business are using part of our frontage to site a recycled materials skip for a big clear out, and we've been given permission to add to it, within reason. Yay!
So this mornings de-cluttering attempts is two now broken up small boarded pallets and a load of old tattered polythene sheeting to their skip, on my way in.
Ds appears to have taken carrier bag to recycling center. (Hopeful it hasn't gone to his work, and will be back. Fingers crossed)

BlueSummerBaby · 28/09/2023 03:47

That's a result on being able to use the skip Elleherd

Elleherd · 28/09/2023 20:59

Isn’t it just! 😃I took in a chest type box to ditch today. It was battered and I was going to weatherproof it and use as a planter. But, it has been taking up space waiting for me to weatherproof it for nearly three years now, and even once done, will only last a short time without needing repeated maintenance, so decision made.

BlueSummerBaby · 29/09/2023 00:58

Yes, you have enough on your plate, you do not need something else causing repeated need for maintenance in your life Elleherd, that's a sound decision to skip it

I'm struggling to deal with a particular area, it's filled with clothes which have no home. The only way to get them a home will be to declutter something, whether that's clothes or something else. I want the area sorted out but I also don't want to declutter anything else at the moment. Not in an abstract way, I mean every item I look at I decide I will keep it. I'm currently at stalemate there and hoping the passage of time might solve it

KingArthur1964 · 29/09/2023 15:27

Hello, I've just joined mumsnet so hopefully I've posted correctly by just clicking on add message to the main post?
I usually use the facebook hoarding groups but it's a bit hit and miss when it comes to being understanding of hoarding I find.
Do others understand the terror of having to have someone to do some works in your property? Our block of flats is having a new roof and they want access to turn my gas off while they do something on the roof, I am on the top floor.
I work full time, have OCD and really struggle with having the physical and emotional energy to keep up with day to day life, I often get very low emotionally. The OCD aspect for me is about things feeling unclean, so there are things i have not touched for years, I keep all the different aspects of my life separate, my cloths and work items are in a certain area for example compared to stuff that I ware for weekends and visiting family.
The kitchen will need to be cleared, the hallway and I have a class door to the lounge that I want to cover up so no one can see in the lounge, because of my OCD I need to cover the floor everywhere they would walk, the kitchen tap is leaking and it's obvious, I haven't been able to clean in the kitchen for a long while and mostly eat at work and have a snack at home. My bedroom doesn't have any room to move the stuff from the kitchen into.
I won't go into all the details but I'm got that feeling behind the eyes when you feeling like crying and still have to carry on with hope and motivation as if everything is normal.
Please let me know you have been through the same, stayed up all night to sort stuff out and still had to go to work and just felt you wanted to give up.
I was away recently for a couple of weeks when a neighbour phoned me to say I had to allow them access, when I got back I had to go back to work so didn't phone them immediately as I didn't feel able to ask for days off again so soon, now they are putting notes through the door and the neighbour says she is annoyed that i didn't phone them last week and I'm delaying things, which I know I am, it's not that I don't care, but of course they don't understand why I'm not so forthcoming as they want, it's making me incredible upset.
Hopefully I will contact them this weekend and make arrangements for Wednesday when I'm off due to the strikes, but I know I will have to work night and day to do it and be ready for Wednesday, so am reluctant to commit and I only have the evenings and then get up at 5.30 for work.
Thank you for reading this.

SingToTheSky · 29/09/2023 17:50

Oh arthur welcome, you have come to the right place. We get it 💐 that all sounds really stressful and I recognise the anxiety of a demand like that, it’s so so hard. Hopefully there will be some relief when that bit of work is over.

Blue sorry you’re at stalemate with your stuff, that’s tricky. 💐

SingToTheSky · 29/09/2023 18:05

I have made a big decision this week - it’s been a long time coming but I finally got up the courage to “declutter” my marriage. I just can’t be in this relationship (of 21 years) anymore. Nothing will change immediately, we have agreed we need to look into options financially etc (we rent a housing association home in both our names and both have disabilities etc). This means we also won’t be telling the kids yet - we basically act like roommates and coparents already so we can hold out for a little while.

Clutter still feels like the biggest priority. There was talk of me being the one to leave for practical reasons but I don’t think that’s right, I need to sort everything here. If I go, that won’t happen. There is also a big part of me that just wants to prove myself. DH moved in with me and my parents when we first got together, I have never lived alone.

Anyway, right now I’m of a mind to throw myself into practical stuff, so I may as well use the motivation to declutter. There are some boxes of papers I can go through now the recycle bin is empty so I might put some comedy on and do that upstairs.

My lovely friend said we can take stuff to the charity shop in her car so hopefully we can do that soon, and then I’ll gather the next lot of donations. I offered to buy her cake after as a thank you, she said she is trying to eat healthily so we agreed I can buy her salad 🤣

BlueSummerBaby · 29/09/2023 20:01

Arthur in your shoes if ask work for some emergency leave, either paid as part of your annual leave or unpaid. You can't shift all that evenings and nights and work days, it's unsustainable and unhealthy to attempt it. You'll burn out and make yourself ill. This isn't just a physical thing for you, you're a hoarder so you're dealing with the emotional impact of all this simultaneously. If you can't get leave from work, can you get a removal firm in to pack up for you and move it out to a storage unit temporarily whilst work is completed? I realize that'll cost

Legally, if people need access for works they only have to give you 24hrs notice if you rent. So I can see why they're getting annoyed. Unless you own? I'm unsure of what happens in that situation. Workmen don't have endless time to wait for people to be ready though, they book in the job and other jobs around it and they need people to be ready for them to start when agreed

I'm in a similar situation to you but nowhere near as bad. I've had to do some juggling around at times and it's happened more frequently than I'd like. I decided I can't keep shifting stuff around forever. which then means I can't use anywhere, either because it has workmen in it or is piled high with stuff. So I started decluttering. If you read back through the thread you'll see there's other posters in a bad way with the hoard, there's also tips for dealing with the situation. It's a slow moving thread, hoarders aren't known for their swift action 😆 or we wouldn't be hoarders in the first place! If you hang around you'll see you fit right in

Wow Sing that's a big deal, I'm sorry you're experiencing this. Sounds like it could be for the best though. I find useless anything is worse than not having the thing. Congratulations on finally making a difficult decision, I guess. I hope you're ok. Of course he wants you to move out, he wants to keep the property but realistically it's be awarded to you and DC (I'm assuming you'll be Resident Parent and he'll be an Every Other Weekend parent, just because that's how it usually seems to go). The council won't necessarily have a duty to rehouse you if you make yourself homeless by leaving voluntarily. The courts are unlikely to award a HA property to a single man (with a full time job?) over a woman with DC (assuming you've got some living at home and they're not all of an age to move out). You're not divorcing him because he's Husband Of The Year so don't be feeling like you have to make his life easy going forward. I'm glad you're able to harness your energies into decluttering anyway. Thank heavens for your good friend

I need to be patient and maybe accept I'm going to struggle with getting rid of one thing daily at the moment, but even that will add up if only I can stop bringing stuff in

BlackeyedSusan · 30/09/2023 10:10

Welcome to Hello and King.

Wow Sing. Big declutter there!

Been binge watching sort your life out at ex's while waiting for washing to do in his machine. It's beginning to change my thinking and some easy stuff can go. Except I am at ex's a lot doing washing not here sorting out.

Elleherd · 30/09/2023 10:47

Hi King Arthur welcome.
Most, if not all of us here, have had to deal with the fall out of contractors needing access and how to make it possible without public humiliation and lasting repercussions. We're all on different parts and stages of the same journey, and have found speaking about it, being kinder to ourselves, and managed accountability helps to move forward. We all need and want change.

Terror? Yes, know it only too well. Wanting to entirely give up – totally. The terror can freeze you. You’re not alone feeling these things. They’re what we feel in these situations because we feel we have no control over events, augmented by about to get ‘caught/discovered.’ It can be managed. Voicing it is a great start. No one here judges, just tries to support, suggest & encourage.

I don’t have any diagnosis’s but parallel to major hoarding, have a need for things to be clean & ordered in ways that can be hard for others to accept. At one time I was quite extreme about outside dirt and inside dirt etc, so understand how one ends up separating out stuff etc. (have this aspect under better control these days.)
It sounds like you can to some extent control when the access happens, but it needs to be asap. I’d aim for appointment Friday when more strikes are threatened. Is the flat rented or owned? (re possible repercussions.)

Re getting it done, I treat these things as ‘disaster management.’ Take it from someone who’s repeatedly had to do this: It always takes longer than you think. One twisted shoulder/pulled muscle and you can be in real trouble, so be realistic about the idea that you must also be at work. Something has to give. Sometimes it is more sensible to ’seek forgiveness, than ask permission.’
Probably against your nature especially if you’ve recently had time off, but tbh I’d if necessary, throw a sickie/personal issue for Mon/Tues knowing the trains are on strike Weds, and try and arrange the appointment for Friday. Any exhaustion at work on Thursday is covered by Mon/Tuesday’s absence.

When you have to hide the reason is hoarding, sometimes implying something else is going on (including with neighbors) can help with the balancing act. Untruths and gaming the system isn’t great but can be necessary for surviving mentally and socially, and staying afloat.

Re tackling what you haven’t been touching - gloves, mask/ bandana, cheap disposable painters’ suits all help, and black sacks to put things in if you need to keep things separate. A roll of labels and pen can help you keep track.
Re-covering floors, a roll of builder’s plastic will do it, but don’t forget you can provide and insist on contractors wearing elasticated foot coverings.
Viakal can go a long way in sorting out visuals identifying how long tap has been left leaking, combined with turning of the water on the day, if it’s an actual issue.
If you go for storage, keep it short term only. Anything else generally backfires.

Sing That is a big life change! Sorry to hear it. It'’s really tough, but by the sounds of it, perhaps sensible for all.
It sounds like you can both manage to co-parent maturely in the situation, but you know you have to be a bit self-centered over the tenancy, don’t you.
Well done for harnessing the energy into practical stuff! Hope you’ve lots of de cluttered paperwork now. Good news about your friend offering transport, it makes such a difference. Keep calm and carry on.

Bluesumerbaby Time can sometimes resolve things. Hoping it does for you.
Is the continuing acquiring from shopping, or other sources?
I ended up having to stay out of shops all together for a time to try and put a pause to my acquisitive behaviours. Doing it highlighted the range of situations that enabled my continuous acquiring. None of it entirely fixed things but it helped me develop better tools for dealing with situations.

Susan I’ve recorded that in the hope of inspiration. Same issue here I’m finding myself inspired at aunts, when I need to be here!

Elleherd · 30/09/2023 10:48

Yesterday: discarded small amount of paperwork and skipped a load of plastic netting, in the morning. Last night dismantled remains of very broken small shed that I was intending to try and repair, and am taking to the workspace skip now, while we still have the opportunity.
Predictions about work were correct. It has massively ramped up. I need to get last bits at aunts that need the platform done over the weekend, and it returned before Monday, before we have even more excess charges.

KingArthur1964 · 30/09/2023 16:22

Thank you @SingToTheSky for the welcome, it's good to join you all.

KingArthur1964 · 30/09/2023 20:39

@BlueSummerBaby Thank you, yes it would definitely make me unwell trying to tackle everything at once to get everything ready for the people to come in and do what they need to do, but you know how it is my mind just isn't functioning with the anxiety, luckily I do own my flat so at least don't have a landlord demanding entry, I contacted someone from the roofing company today so at least have made contact which I was avoiding stress gone from 100 to 99 lol, if only it didn't all feel so miserable I might feel I could cope, such a horrible feeling, I'm going to do some EFT where you tap on meridian points that help with stress.

KingArthur1964 · 30/09/2023 21:01

@Elleherd Thank you for your welcome, lots of helpful points but mostly a thank you for feeding back to me just how it all feels during the difficult times, because it's the loneliness, for me anyway, of dealing with a problem that feels overwhelming that I can't tell anyone that doesn't understand, what a muddle us hoarders get into.
Yes it always takes longer than expected doesn't it, for many reasons.
I may have to phone in sick, it feels horrible to do it but in a way I feel so low that it isn't dishonest in the situation, I might go in to work Monday and then phone Tuesday, no trains on Wednesday due to strike so would be off anyway, then I could suggest that they can have access on Thursday.
It's helpful emotionally to know I'm not alone, I did know that anyway but really appreciate all the lots reminders at the moment.

BlackeyedSusan · 01/10/2023 09:27

I have been making teenytiny progress. Some plastic bottles I was keeping have gone to the recycling bin. If I need more I will easily collect some so they can go.

I've been sick so just recovering and getting back to it.
Done some some washing up. And put some away.
DD has put some shirts away.
Cleared out some old food from the fridge
Picked up packets and put in bin.

Off to shift the lad for football.

Elleherd · 01/10/2023 10:27

King Arthur No you are not alone. Very far from it.
Reading between the lines of what you're saying I'd ask yourself what your employer would prefer if they had oversight here: That you managed things by being unavailable for a few days, but were then fine, or that you spent a few days trying to perform while unexplainably exhausted, stressed, depressed and aching, and then ended up taking time of afterwards to recover?
Many of us have been trained to think turning up whatever the state and situation, is what matters. Generally I'm one. Employers don't always agree.
Bite the bullet, take off the time you need to be able to fix your situation so you actually can be the good reliable worker you want to be.

Having people who understand and who will listen and may have useful ideas, or options we haven't considered, and the truth can be told, especially when we're in a race against time, is invaluable and can do a lot for better MH. Also hearing others who don't find it easy, doing things regardless, actually helps motivate.

I'm finely balancing so many different situations at once, (many of my own making) and running out of time every day. Being able to admit and work on what I can't talk about elsewhere, has resulted in coping with the reality of it all so much better, and a slowly shifting, healthier mindset.

Look forward to hearing how today goes for you in creating access, good or not, though I'm hopeful for you that it will go well.🙂

Coincidentally I also got a hand delivered letter yesterday. It's catching! Access needed this week to cellar, kitchen, and bathroom. 😟 I had contractors in ages ago who abandoned ship, (leaving us as a building site!) and are finally being replaced, but it's been left so long a new survey is needed.

Susan sorry you've been sick. There's been a vicious flu like virus doing the rounds here. Well done getting back to it. There will always be more plastic bottles coming in and getting used up. Those increments of progress all add up to a better place to be in.

Elleherd · 01/10/2023 10:34

Yesterday: last bits of aunts ceiling and strip between dado rails finished off, wheelchair access platform is now disassembled. Have to get hire van with Ds, get it loaded and returned today. Hoping to do Srewfix return alongside it.

Office 'extension' in our hall has to be stripped out for cellar access this week. Has to be today to if I'm to get any much needed assistance from Ds.
Trying to convince him that it would be far more efficient if we got a ladder into the cellar (hates cellars and spiders) and he photographed sewer connection system, rather than getting out the chain hoist fitting it, and getting me, then my chair, up and down. I need pics to make sure survey includes dealing with eroded connectors properly, not just more leaking mastic bodge like the last lot did.😡

Two large storage containers in kitchen need Ds help to make it to greenhouse.

Piece of artwork has to be done for work tomorrow, & other bits prepped.

Launderette and shopping all has to happen today too. Everything else has been pushed onto Monday for now.

BlueSummerBaby · 01/10/2023 15:36

I got a new bit of furniture to match the other bit in that area. So no space created and although I did check through, no decluttering either, but visually it looks so much nicer. The other mismatched bit of furniture will go to another area where it'll match better with what's there and where there are things just piled on the floor that need a home.

KingArthur1964 · 01/10/2023 17:44

@Elleherd I do usually turn up to work no matter how I feel, mainly because I struggle every day to get my act together, due to various things, so keep going until I really need to stop, otherwise, not sure what I will say yet about why I'm not going in, maybe anxiety.
I can relate to finally balancing different aspects of life, but I haven't left much time left for myself, it's work, home, bed and repeat, I'm an introvert in many ways so get depleted.
Sounds like you have had and still have one of those nightmare builders situations, kitchen, cellar and bathroom all at the same time must be a real trial.

Elleherd · 02/10/2023 12:41

BlueSummerBaby Hope you enjoy the fruits of your efforts. It sounds like things are getting there bit by bit.

King Arthur A lot of people with hoarding issues feel obliged to somehow try to make up for it elsewhere. (It doesn't really work that well.🙃) Landlord isn't great, and has form for using the worst most unreliable contractors. Last lot just vanished to do better paid stuff, then expected me to be available whenever it suited them, weeks later. Creating access is a bit of a bad dream, but unfortunately I've been in this position so long, I'm quiet experienced at the 'emergency' clear. (within reason)

Yesterday and this morning: Launderette, shopping, getting access platform returned, sorting what teens have done in aunts garden, and clearing office 'extension' in hallway, all happened. Hall swept. Cellar accessed and sewage connector photographed.
Bathroom wall that was trying to develop mold in one corner, sorted and whole wall washed down. Cupboard doors also sorted. Bathroom needs it's annual deep clean, but no time. Bath thoroughly scrubbed at least.
Set of shelves that have been in garden, cleaned up.
But storage containers out of kitchen, and Screw fix return, both didn't happen.
Prep for work today did, but artwork still hasn't and I have to go in.

KingArthur1964 · 02/10/2023 17:24

@Elleherd Sounds like you you are on a roll and very busy getting lots done, sometimes it's inspired isn't it and other times forced but still great to get stuff done.

I guess the best landlords are the ones that leave you alone but are helpful when needed, i can imagine that some like to get involved in everything or the other extreme and never do anything at all.

BlueSummerBaby · 03/10/2023 02:12

Elleherd they are 🙂 I had a go at the bedroom and by storing things in more appropriate places I was able to get one pile of things that had no home into a box, a second pile of things from an open basket taking up a lot of space into a neat tidy box instead and some other things hung up which emptied a bulky box out. All this piled up stuff is now only one box deep. Was two boxes deep at the bottom. So a little more floor space has been opened up.

Arthur one of the most important thing I learned is that relaxing and fun is not a luxury to be allowed after everything else is finished. It's as necessary to one's well-being as is fresh air, exercise, sleep, work, a healthy diet and clean home/body.

KingArthur1964 · 03/10/2023 11:51

BlueSummerBaby, so easy to forget to relax for us hoarders, I feel happy when outside in the summer and sometimes wish I didn't have to go back home.

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