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With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background

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LadyInParis · 27/02/2021 15:02

So as above, I never had effective parents (so called father ditched when I was 2, mum then married stepfather when I was 4, and all I saw from then until she committed suicide when I was 13, was an alternate cycle between when she left him and became a happy and sober single wonderful mother who taught me how to be the kind genuine and considerate person I am today, and she was lots of fun, and the other half of the cycle where she got back with him, and exposed me to viewing extreme physical abuse from him to her, and then her subsequent drinking and not being present as a parent. I saw her being wheeled out by paramedics throwing up pills and so on, it was horrific, then she committed suicide when I was 13.)

So as a bit of background I was basically living in fear all of the time, and desperate need for validation and love, as well as the need to protect her and my little brother, it was all just pure emotional and physical trauma. Always basically in survival mode. Although she was a wonderful person and a wonderful mother when she was well (I understand this may be hard to understand- as on the face of it you could easily say she was the worst mother ever but.. I was there- and I can’t take away from her the wonderful things she taught me)

Anyway I digress! The point is from age 2 up until age 13, my life was one big mess of emotional chaos and trauma. From there, I was passed around from family member to family member, often in extremely toxic environments. I recall being around age 15/16 and running away. To avoid the streets I (unbelievably) went to stay with my stepdad (I know Hmm ) but I really didn’t want to live on the streets. After a while he sat me down and told me I had to leave. I was heartbroken thinking I had done something wrong. On the contrary- in his words (remember I was 15/16) I “reminded him too much of my mum and he ‘wanted’ me.” (This turned out later to be the tip of that vile iceberg). Then I went into the hands of social services who deemed me “too old” for proper housing with say foster care but too young yet for a real home of my own. In other words we can’t help you... so they put me in a bed and breakfast alone and gave me 5 pounds a day to live on. My life did improve to some extent and I ended up in college then university and then later got my own flat. By then I had run up huge debts. Was behind in many bills, and generally struggled to maintain or create any kind of proper home life schedule in terms of budgeting, shopping, paying bills and all of that stuff. I was often in the dark and freezing cold with no food because of my lack of skills meaning I had no money for those things. I struggled to maintain jobs, I just struggled. I was there for 7 years before I went to Paris, and met my now fiancé who I live with, in Paris, and he provides an excellent source of emotional support and has a very good job meaning that although I don’t work (I don’t speak the language despite living here for 3 years and I struggle to even go out) we don’t struggle for money. I am still clearly struggling to “be an adult”.

So when we first moved into this apartment (our second one) I was so happy. I had a cleaning cupboard, I kept it so lovely and clean and it was amazing. Then I suffered a really bad bout of long depression. And my fiancé and me let the place get out of control. Which made my depression and anxiety worse, and therefore my coping skills and house keeping skills worse. Like a cycle.

I have now gotten out of this cycle of depression and I want my home back!!! I want to learn to budget. I want to do shopping that doesn’t leave loads of out of date wasted food. I want to cook daily and clean daily (normal top up cleaning) and plan my budget and shopping around the weekly meals. He works so so hard to give us a wonderful life. I think the least I can do, instead of staying in bed depressed all day, is keep a nice home and cook dinner for us both, and do the food shopping (because when I got into my depression he was working hard, doing the shopping, getting my medicine, washing clothes, etc) and this really isn’t on. He’s been great about it, but that isn’t the point. I want to take all this stuff off his hands- he has recently become extremely stressed and quite unwell due to exhaustion and this was a big factor in me having my eyes forced open and waking me up to real life - pulling myself out of my depression. The shame of it!!

There are so many repairs I need to do. Painting too which is half finished. I need to also essentially clear out whole rooms to clean inside cupboards then re fill them after a sort out. I need to have a good sort through and get rid of clutter. I need to clean the sofa. I need to clean every single surface and continue the painting and do the repairs. All whilst implementing the new budget and cooking and shopping regime. I need to wash soooo many cushion covers and throws and clothes. I need to make space. There is so so so much that needs doing that I am just completely overwhelmed by it all. The whole place needs a complete overhaul, scrub, sort out and throw, clean, organise, and repairs as well as decorating finished. All whilst maintaining said food and shopping stuff as above.

I don’t know where to start, it’s all so overwhelming that I feel massively stressed at the idea of it all. It makes it so hard to just even start! I don’t know where to start! I have a list of all that needs doing, and I have made charts for budgets and things like that.

But practically speaking I don’t know where to start. All I see is the whole thing. I struggle to break it down in my mind. I’m lost.

Does anyone have any kind of advice or ideas on how I can start the process and see things I can do one at a time rather than seeing the whole thing and being overwhelmed? Has anyone been in similar, and gotten through it? And how? Anything would be helpful right now. I am so ashamed and I really really miss the beginning when we first moved in and I had my cleaning cupboard and everything was done to the T- I even used to dry the kitchen sink I was that “on top” of things. I miss that so terribly!

I never had a role model ever, to see how a house should be run. Although I know how, it was never ingrained in me and my mental health and trauma means that even though I technically “know” how to be a proper adult, it’s very hard for me to actually put it into place. Especially when I get depressed. Once our home is back to normal I know it’s so much easier to keep on top of. But how do I get back there? It’s so very overwhelming. I’m scared.

Please help?

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LadyInParis · 11/03/2021 16:52

Bedroom after part 2 Grin

With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
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LadyInParis · 11/03/2021 16:54

Bedroom after part 3 GrinSmile

With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
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LadyInParis · 11/03/2021 17:05

Don’t mind the dog bed Blush and the table with loads of cosmetics and bags of such, and the underside of the desk crammed with arts stuff- we both went through everything brutally and chucked stuff without hesitation, but some stuff stays kinda in piles/under the desk/on the table because it’s absolutely no way I won’t need/use/love those things so we needed to just get them as easily stacked up and away as possible with such little storage. It’s kind of organised chaos in small areas - under the desk and the small black table. I know what’s there and why and it’s all needed and not in the way etc etc. My art stuff is very expensive and I won’t be chucking that any time soon, same for my cosmetics (my only two splurges in life!) aside from expired or ruined stuff which was indeed sorted through and chucked. Just need photos of the lounge I’ll do tomorrow probably.

Then after the decorating is finished I will do final photos of what will be a wonderful home! I hope to help and inspire others- as the posters on this thread helped and inspired me, and got me through this. It’s meant so much truly. Just having a sounding board, and somewhere to post my pics so that I can see for my self the progress I’m making, is a massive help but I couldn’t have done it without the support really Flowers

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liverpool1981 · 11/03/2021 19:15

Good job, well done you! I love your fireplace x

LadyInParis · 12/03/2021 12:24

@liverpool1981

Thank you 😊 I love it too. Just need to do some repairs and painting.

It’s been great though. Now I keep on top of cleaning every single day- takes a few mins. I cook every day from fresh, it’s awesome I love my little routine.

I just need to get the courage now to start doing my own shopping consistently 😱 scary as I’m not good at going outside when I get stuck in these ruts I have been in. I guess now I’m doing so well, I can gather the courage to go out too! Keep making the changes and I’ll be sorted in no time Grin

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Slothkin · 12/03/2021 17:49

You can do it! You might find David Lebovitz’s books about moving to Paris entertaining - and they have lovely recipes too!

TheSilveryPussycat · 12/03/2021 19:20

I am so so impressed!
I am doing things at a snail's pace, but I am doing things. (I have to be careful not to go into overdrive, so slow is good in my case)

LadyInParis · 12/03/2021 19:37

@Slothkin

Ooh really? I have been making my own recipes I like cooking and making it up as I go haha. A couple of mistakes so far (salmon too salty as haven’t cooked it in ages so went ott on the salt- but an easy fix in future! And rice that was super soggy because rice just hates me Blush ) apart from that all my other cooking has been a total hit, fiancé very happy and has much more energy and is losing the belly fat he got (a bit around the tum nothing extensive but will be if he had carried on eating bread and Nutella, and coffee Confused ) so he’s now healthy as am I and he doesn’t have to worry about stuff as his job is so so hard.

I always welcome recipes! I’ll have a look! Thank you 😊

So happy now really. It’s like my life has meaning outside of hiding in bed all day. I don’t have massive amounts of stuff to do- just enough “keep on top” cleaning, and cooking from fresh, to keep me up and down most of the day. So I’m not in bed static all day.

Tomorrow me and the fiancé are tackling the shower room and the toilet room (two small separate rooms) won’t take long. Then next week the list of repairs and decorating will commence!

I ended up taking a week off the big stuff. Just enjoying pottering about emptying the dishwasher, making breakfast, tidying bits up here and there. I’m rather strict in how the place is run now- so I won’t accept him throwing crap about the place like dirty cups / socks / wrappers whatever. But he does 100% work with me on that and has stopped doing it. And seems to enjoy the routine and the rules re the household. It gives him a sense of pride of home too, that he is helping keep on top. And of course he does the bins (no easy feat in a 4th floor Paris apartment- no lift and steep stairs!) and other jobs that are “his”, but not too taxing because as I said before he does work so very hard. So it’s going great.

So yes the smaller last two rooms this weekend. Next week- finishing the painting and repairs. Then I will be so proud to post my final perfect pics of the lovely home we will have created together, inc the decor. Post depression and anxiety. (And some of both during I must say!)

I really can’t thank everyone enough for checking in and keeping posting, it’s been a wonderfully positive and helpful thread. So much support and so very very helpful. You’re all so wonderful! I love having my thread to come back to and I will see it out to the end until my home is finished 100%, as it’s such a lovely way to log my journey and have support along that journey. And hopefully others can see it too and maybe it will help them. If not my success story- then the wonderful amazing advice and reading and such that everyone has posted!!

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LadyInParis · 12/03/2021 19:45

@TheSilveryPussycat

That’s great news! I’m so happy you are making progress! I think that the way my brain works, slow and steady doesn’t work for me. And although storming through entire rooms at a time got it all done, I’m not sure it was good at the time for my mental health (as others pointed out and told me to be careful). However the issue was for me that if I tried slow and steady, I would lose energy motivation and any interest at all. It’s just how my mind works which is annoying. Because slow and steady is the right and healthy way to go, and I can say that for me how I did it, did really affect my mental health during that time. I don’t regret how I did it now.. but at the time it really did create a massive struggle / internal battle. I just knew I had to do it now and I had to do it quickly (but thoroughly) because I needed to have a clean home so that I could finally have a reason to get out of bed each day. Because I was literally staying in a dirty bed, in a dirty room, in a gross apartment, all day every day. Anyway my point is (I do ramble I’m sorry Blush ) I think slow and steady is the best way really, for physical and mental health. I’m really really so glad that you’re doing well with it! Is yours like mine is in the pics? Or more a declutter effort? Do you think it will take long, or is it not too much? I’m interested to hear how you’re doing your house journey, and I’m cheering you on!

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LadyInParis · 13/03/2021 17:48

Hi all! So most of the stuff is still the same; kitchen is done. Lounge is done. Bedroom is done.

Only things to do; small toilet room, and small shower room. Not big chores as very small and easy to clean- no problem (when I get round to it! And I will) Some repairs to organise (three window panes have broken thanks to shoddy Paris architecture and very thin single window panes- think a large window pane which blows wide open in any wind... directly onto corner of the fireplace with no protection at all Hmm etc!!) and the painting needs to be finished; all fine and doable.

I have massively massively enjoyed adulting as a result!! First time I have had a home with boundaries and routine and whatnot. I feel like the queen of the castle and love all of it so staying on top has been easy! (Just need to finish last bits!)

So now- I cook from fresh every day, and the food has to be topped up obviously. My fiancé has been doing this throughout the depression (though his work load (physical and mental) has massively decreased- I mean hugely. For example he never has to worry about food meals or snacks, cleaning, washing etc. So he just has his massively stressful job now! But I would like to take the shopping off his hands. For two reasons- one is that I would like to take this stress away from him (he really does a lot as is) and second that I would like to take this over myself. As in- buy the right things and the things I find more appropriate. It gets frustrating when I need something and he can’t find it- I know he is so bad at “finding”!! It’s horrific haha. Just that I would be able to buy stuff that I know are the right things and even stuff that give me ideas for new meals etc.

So we have talked about budgeting and have agreed that he would get an amount, I would get an amount, and the “house” would get an amount.

After his first week back at work (wfh) we have settled into a lovely new routine and both very very happy. So now that’s established, id really like to sort this budget and start shopping myself. I have been doing great in topping up the stuff we use but as I said- I need to do it myself. I need to write it down and go and buy it. Instead I am writing it and he is going. I’m happy with my mental progress of noting things as we use them- this would never have even occurred to me before. Also the money for shopping isn’t an issue- I would just say give me some shopping money please and he would give me whatever with no issue. Same for him he will just shop with no budget in mind.

But I think that a budget is important isn’t it? I might be wrong (and also important to note that he doesn’t disagree; more that were a both relatively young couple in the sense that were just starting this life journey together and both of us don’t think about this stuff. But as the marriage gets closer, it’s coming more obvious we need to sort it). I mean it isn’t a problem per se; but isn’t budgeting important?

I’m rambling again!! My question is- does anyone know how I start? Both the shopping (weekly? As is? Doesn’t matter? Tips? Etc) and also the budget- some money for him, some for me, but what percentage on the apartment? For reference- the bills are taken out of his account each month so this isn’t something I need to consider. But then what about pets too? Do they need a bit of the budget as in savings for vets visits? Or should we put part of each other’s money aside equally for this, does it count as household? I mean.. these are my questions and I just don’t know where to start!! I’m so happy to get this little life started; and he too! But .. where to start?

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LadyInParis · 13/03/2021 17:55

By the way we are both super happy, it isn’t an issue between us or anything like that. More that these things occur to me now that we are closer to getting married, and I would really like to sort them (because god love him, he won’t! He’s amazing but I realised that household wise, I really need to take the reigns more here!) As also money doesn’t last forever, and we could probably get much more out of his income than we do currently- as in savings, etc. Because we are both sloppy and not careful. But I have found that my mind is more careful these days re resources/ food/ etc. I would like to get this more concrete. We come from a very different culture. His mum is the one who does all the budgets, shopping lists etc and has all the control re this stuff. I think he would be happier if I did the same- it fits what he knows of a happy home. For me I didn’t have one, and so I want to adopt her way as when I stayed in Tunisia with her for a month I found the way she ran her home something to behold- it was a beautiful sight haha! So since I have no reference, but like how she runs her home, and this is his frame of reference too, I think I’d like to do it this way also. Hence the where to start as it means I would have much more control of money and such! I hope this all makes sense as I do ramble I know!

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VegimalCrudite · 13/03/2021 18:07

I have a lovely little book I got from IKEA about cleaning and organising the house. There is one on Amazon Uk for under £3. It’s called Svabba Clean.

LadyInParis · 13/03/2021 18:32

@VegimalCrudite

Thank you for this Smile does it contain other house stuff, like budgeting, cooking, shopping etc? If so it sounds incredibly useful!

Weirdly, once I have got things clean I am incredibly obsessive about keeping it clean. Example being the kitchen- he isn’t allowed in there Blush Well.. sometimes! He’s just so bloody messy sometimes! I suppose it would be great to not get to that extreme point of mess again so some literature like a book would be helpful! I’ll have a look and see if I can get it on my kindle.

For me now it’s about getting the last bits done, finish the decorating, getting the budget and shopping into a routine, and then not letting things slide that badly ever ever again.

This thread has been a lifesaver. In some ways it does feel like what I would imagine having a mum would feel like- I can post into the ether and have lots of wonderful lovely support and suggestions back. And the collective loveliness I get back is kind of what I imagine it would be like, if I could ring my mum and ask these things if that makes sense. In that way, this thread has been so wonderful for me. It’s hard to put it into words really!

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TheSilveryPussycat · 13/03/2021 19:21

Start off by just keeping a note of everything you spend at the moment, to the last penny. Divide into categories eg food, pets, etc. and total these. Make the categories whatever suits you. This gives you a snapshot of current expenditure.

Knowing where you are at the moment means you should have more of an idea what you are aiming at.

In the UK the advice re pets and vet fees is either to take out insurance, or put the equivalent of the premiums into savings to be drawn on in time of need.

VegimalCrudite · 13/03/2021 19:25

It shows organising and cleaning but not budgeting and shopping I’m afraid. Although you see to have done very well yourself with your Mumsnet Mums help!

I personally think it would be good if you had access to family money without having to ask for it. I suggest a joint account. You can get banking apps where you put money into separate “pots”.

Can you take out insurance for your pets in case they need to visit the vets?

InvincibleInvisibility · 13/03/2021 20:36

Hi OP. Ive only skim read your thread but wanted to wave at you from Paris 16th Smile

It sounds like you've got a lot done but in case you still need it, there are 3 things which I find are lifelines:

  • the clothes/textiles recycling bins which are everywhere. They take holey stuff too and shoes
  • objets encombrants - the mairie site. Just log on and tell them where you live and what you're putting outside and it goes Grin often it goes before the mairie collect but who cares?!
  • the charity shop apprentis d'auteuil. Its in the 16th and they take books, clothes, dvds, ornaments, toys etc etc. At the moment its by appointment only - usually you can drop stuff off whenever they're open

Good luck with your flat.

LadyInParis · 13/03/2021 20:52

@TheSilveryPussycat

Ooh I love your budgeting idea! I will start a record for sure!! Thank you! We’re in Paris so I’m not sure re pet insurance.. the other day our 7 year old dog had a 200 euro trip to the vets.. we just tend to pay for what we need Blush I think it’s a waste and we should look into saving money there as we have rabbits, dogs, birds and fish. Can get costly and having the money for it isn’t an excuse as it’s a waste if we can do some kind of pet plan or something. Thank you 😊

@VegimalCrudite

Thank you I did get there in the end! Some stuff still to do but mainly done and very happy!
I don’t have to ask for money per se.. I mean it’s always on hand, I know the card pin etc, but we did discuss joint finances. However I would prefer to wait for marriage for this, and just have access for now so I can practise the whole budgeting and all that (the adulting as I call it! It’s very new to me!) but access isn’t an issue at all. After marriage I will have my name on the accounts however. I guess for me it’s hard because I didn’t have all this shown to me as a child and so.. I kind of feel like to ask for joint finances now before marriage would make me grabby? I’m not sure! I just don’t know, though he has never ever shown any kind of issue with sharing and joint stuff and access to money etc.

Re the pets as above - in Paris so not too sure but will have a look and see how it’s done here. I’m sure we must be wasting a ton on dog trips alone here and there! We just pay it Blush and for me I think it’s better we find a better way as it is a waste. Thank you 😊

@InvincibleInvisibility

Ah oui! C’est bien! Mon maison est le 15th! Je parle petit francais Blush et toi?

Not far from me! I don’t think.. though I’ll never understand the french arrondissiment system!! Haha.

Oooooh thank you sooooooo so much for that advice re being able to give away stuff! It’s so hard to throw stuff that is perfectly fine - but just not wanted anymore! And I don’t know anyone in Paris to ask! Thank you so so much! I really appreciate that!

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VegimalCrudite · 13/03/2021 21:18

Oh yes, I do see.
You’ve done wonders!

LadyInParis · 13/03/2021 21:24

@VegimalCrudite thank you! “Life changing”doesn’t begin to cover it! Still a way to go but most of the difficult and back breaking stuff is done Grin

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TheSilveryPussycat · 13/03/2021 22:04

Start off by just keeping a note of everything you spend at the moment, to the last penny. Divide into categories eg food, pets, etc. and total these. Make the categories whatever suits you. This gives you a snapshot of current expenditure.

Knowing where you are at the moment means you should have more of an idea what you are aiming at.

In the UK the advice re pets and vet fees is either to take out insurance, or put the equivalent of the premiums into savings to be drawn on in time of need.

TheSilveryPussycat · 13/03/2021 22:05

oops, sorry!

LadyInParis · 14/03/2021 00:09

@TheSilveryPussycat

Grin mumsnet playing up again? ConfusedSmile it’s been a little pain lately!!

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InvincibleInvisibility · 14/03/2021 06:23

I think im fairly close to you Op depending where you are in the 15th.

If you want anymore Paris specific advice or just a friendly ear then PM me. Ive lived here 16 years and have done most admin/life stuff here so know a fair bit about the system (though am still learning as the DC get older!).

Curfew makes it difficult but before curfew then any decent stuff put outside would just go by magic

LadyInParis · 14/03/2021 10:21

then any decent stuff put outside would just go by magic

I have noticed this haha, we have taken stuff before that seems lovely and in good condition, and cleaned it just in case, and noticed that people leave stuff out a lot! So it’s a possibility! I will pm you; I really really struggle to understand the Paris stuff, big time! Thank you 😊

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Slothkin · 15/03/2021 19:09

Re: shopping, I’m assuming you don’t have much by way of storage space in your kitchen? If so, if it helps I tend to have in a few things which give a lot of flavour for their price/space taken up - punchy spices like cumin and smoked paprika, garlic, chorizo, parmesan, anchovies, capers, prosciutto, chicken stock pots, lemon juice - plus tins of pulses and tomatoes, dried lentils, rice and pasta, olive oil and red wine vinegar. Then shop regularly for vegetables and fish in small quantities. Meat (as in a big bit for a roast) I buy about twice what we need for the meal and make something else with the leftovers but that’s just because I think it’s easier to cook a larger joint (and if I’ve hauled my arse out to the butcher it better be worth it!). This sort of routine obviously requires the luxury of time to do it but it has really helped to give my days structure. And I can take advantage of any veggies going cheap because I know if there’s say a slightly bashed cauliflower I can stick it in to roast with some cumin and olive oil and make a warm salad with rice and cannellini beans and a splash of lemon!

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