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With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background

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LadyInParis · 27/02/2021 15:02

So as above, I never had effective parents (so called father ditched when I was 2, mum then married stepfather when I was 4, and all I saw from then until she committed suicide when I was 13, was an alternate cycle between when she left him and became a happy and sober single wonderful mother who taught me how to be the kind genuine and considerate person I am today, and she was lots of fun, and the other half of the cycle where she got back with him, and exposed me to viewing extreme physical abuse from him to her, and then her subsequent drinking and not being present as a parent. I saw her being wheeled out by paramedics throwing up pills and so on, it was horrific, then she committed suicide when I was 13.)

So as a bit of background I was basically living in fear all of the time, and desperate need for validation and love, as well as the need to protect her and my little brother, it was all just pure emotional and physical trauma. Always basically in survival mode. Although she was a wonderful person and a wonderful mother when she was well (I understand this may be hard to understand- as on the face of it you could easily say she was the worst mother ever but.. I was there- and I can’t take away from her the wonderful things she taught me)

Anyway I digress! The point is from age 2 up until age 13, my life was one big mess of emotional chaos and trauma. From there, I was passed around from family member to family member, often in extremely toxic environments. I recall being around age 15/16 and running away. To avoid the streets I (unbelievably) went to stay with my stepdad (I know Hmm ) but I really didn’t want to live on the streets. After a while he sat me down and told me I had to leave. I was heartbroken thinking I had done something wrong. On the contrary- in his words (remember I was 15/16) I “reminded him too much of my mum and he ‘wanted’ me.” (This turned out later to be the tip of that vile iceberg). Then I went into the hands of social services who deemed me “too old” for proper housing with say foster care but too young yet for a real home of my own. In other words we can’t help you... so they put me in a bed and breakfast alone and gave me 5 pounds a day to live on. My life did improve to some extent and I ended up in college then university and then later got my own flat. By then I had run up huge debts. Was behind in many bills, and generally struggled to maintain or create any kind of proper home life schedule in terms of budgeting, shopping, paying bills and all of that stuff. I was often in the dark and freezing cold with no food because of my lack of skills meaning I had no money for those things. I struggled to maintain jobs, I just struggled. I was there for 7 years before I went to Paris, and met my now fiancé who I live with, in Paris, and he provides an excellent source of emotional support and has a very good job meaning that although I don’t work (I don’t speak the language despite living here for 3 years and I struggle to even go out) we don’t struggle for money. I am still clearly struggling to “be an adult”.

So when we first moved into this apartment (our second one) I was so happy. I had a cleaning cupboard, I kept it so lovely and clean and it was amazing. Then I suffered a really bad bout of long depression. And my fiancé and me let the place get out of control. Which made my depression and anxiety worse, and therefore my coping skills and house keeping skills worse. Like a cycle.

I have now gotten out of this cycle of depression and I want my home back!!! I want to learn to budget. I want to do shopping that doesn’t leave loads of out of date wasted food. I want to cook daily and clean daily (normal top up cleaning) and plan my budget and shopping around the weekly meals. He works so so hard to give us a wonderful life. I think the least I can do, instead of staying in bed depressed all day, is keep a nice home and cook dinner for us both, and do the food shopping (because when I got into my depression he was working hard, doing the shopping, getting my medicine, washing clothes, etc) and this really isn’t on. He’s been great about it, but that isn’t the point. I want to take all this stuff off his hands- he has recently become extremely stressed and quite unwell due to exhaustion and this was a big factor in me having my eyes forced open and waking me up to real life - pulling myself out of my depression. The shame of it!!

There are so many repairs I need to do. Painting too which is half finished. I need to also essentially clear out whole rooms to clean inside cupboards then re fill them after a sort out. I need to have a good sort through and get rid of clutter. I need to clean the sofa. I need to clean every single surface and continue the painting and do the repairs. All whilst implementing the new budget and cooking and shopping regime. I need to wash soooo many cushion covers and throws and clothes. I need to make space. There is so so so much that needs doing that I am just completely overwhelmed by it all. The whole place needs a complete overhaul, scrub, sort out and throw, clean, organise, and repairs as well as decorating finished. All whilst maintaining said food and shopping stuff as above.

I don’t know where to start, it’s all so overwhelming that I feel massively stressed at the idea of it all. It makes it so hard to just even start! I don’t know where to start! I have a list of all that needs doing, and I have made charts for budgets and things like that.

But practically speaking I don’t know where to start. All I see is the whole thing. I struggle to break it down in my mind. I’m lost.

Does anyone have any kind of advice or ideas on how I can start the process and see things I can do one at a time rather than seeing the whole thing and being overwhelmed? Has anyone been in similar, and gotten through it? And how? Anything would be helpful right now. I am so ashamed and I really really miss the beginning when we first moved in and I had my cleaning cupboard and everything was done to the T- I even used to dry the kitchen sink I was that “on top” of things. I miss that so terribly!

I never had a role model ever, to see how a house should be run. Although I know how, it was never ingrained in me and my mental health and trauma means that even though I technically “know” how to be a proper adult, it’s very hard for me to actually put it into place. Especially when I get depressed. Once our home is back to normal I know it’s so much easier to keep on top of. But how do I get back there? It’s so very overwhelming. I’m scared.

Please help?

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liverpool1981 · 03/03/2021 17:54
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Slothkin · 03/03/2021 18:08

If it helps at all @crackofdoom it took me bloody ages to use command rather than ctrl for keyboard shortcuts when I switched to a mac!

OP I usually do chicken by halving a lemon, half up the cavity, boiling water over the breast up to a couple of cms in the tin followed by a glass of white wine and the juice of the other lemon half, rub with olive oil salt and pepper. In the oven for about an hour and a half. Not the crispest skin but lovely tender meat and makes a great gravy.

LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 18:41

@liverpool1981

Ooh I’ll look thank you! I’ll post pics soon ish- he’s just getting rid of some masking tape from painting the walls a few months ago, we still need to paint the windows and doors so the tape is still on those! Then I’m gonna mop, put my new stuff out and take after pics! I wish I took more before pics now, so you could see the exact shite I had to clean (‘‘twas extensive!) but I would be too ashamed to post close ups of my filth even if I had took them! So it’s two overall ones of the room, then I’ll do two overall of the newly finished room, then I’ll add my own personal pride moment pics haha. It really was in a terrible state. For example you can’t tell from the before pics but there were cupboards and drawers to clear out and all kinds of crap. Although there is a little clutter on top of the top cupboard but I don’t really care I’ll get to that another day- I’m picking my battles here haha! It’s only a five minute job for another day. It took so long even if you say ok half the time was breaks. But kitchens are a bit more intricate aren’t they, than say a lounge where you just declutter, tidy and wipe down and hoover. And in my case clean a filthy sofa Blush I’m so happy with myself haha! I feel like Wonder Woman! What I really can’t wait for is the true before and true after pics when all the painting and repairs are done! When we’ve done all that- I will post the before pics, with new updated fully finished clean painted repaired and decorated after ones. To round out the thread, and hopefully inspire other people who are going through a tough time.

For what it’s worth I didn’t post much yesterday because I just couldn’t bring myself to do anything so, between my last set of posts and today, I had done precisely zero. It was getting to the point that I felt so useless and worthless, I was wanting to self harm. And so came the “fuck this shit” revelation of today- hence why I went so hard at it. I’m glad I did- it pulled me back from the precipice.

@Slothkin

I don’t have wine in (or do I - I’m sure I saw sneaky fiancé try to get a bottle past me earlier Grin I don’t drink but it’s become a weird kind of joke between us, him sneaking in beer and wine and both of us “stealing” the others soft drinks.. given he can drink all he likes as he works bloody hard for it I don’t know where the joke came from, but it makes us giggle!) I’ll ask him! But no lemon. Might have lemon juice I’ll have a look! We have olive oil. I prefer super crispy skin but.. not at the expense of the meat being tender! Thank you
Smile

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LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 18:43

Also great idea re gravy, bloody impossible to get here in Paris! I’ll have a look online for recipes for gravy, and use the best recipes for cooking chicken depending on the best outcome of gravy!! Grin

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mamakoukla · 03/03/2021 19:28

Yellow flesh potatoes
Red onion
Garlic
Fennel seed
Chicken
Salt and pepper

Peel potato and slice into slices about 1.5-2 cm thick, chop garlic and prepare some thin slices of onion. In a roasting dish, build layers as follows - potato, sprinkle salt and pepper, fennel seed and sliced onion. Place the chicken on top. Add water midway up potatoes. Cover dish - I normally use foil but be careful to avoid it resting on the chicken or the skin will stick to the foil. An old butter wrapper (paper and foil one) on top of the chicken works wonders. Bake at 375 F for 30 min per 0.5 kg. Remove foil, bake for a further 30 min. Spoon over any juices 2-3 times during this to help skin crisp. Check chicken is cooked. When ready, remove and allow to rest, covered loosely with the foil. While the chicken is resting, brown the surface of the potatoes under the grill.

LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 19:37

@mamakoukla

Mouth. Is. Watering!!!

Wow, I am going to be doing potatoes too so this is perfect thank you!!! And also fits what my grandad told me earlier re the tin foil for crispy skin! Thank you 🙏

So apart from a mop and yet another (last) dish wash cycle, my kitchen is done and all my lovely new things are so CUTE! My alter is beautiful even though it’s just a (clean!) microwave with two beautiful potted plants on top but.. I consider the whole place to be an alter I love it so much! It’s so shiny and clean and white and full of lovely things! I’m not even slightly domesticated haha but I do admit this is a real thrill and I am gonna enjoy cooking all the more now! Will do pics tonight. After the mop but before I cook. Will post tonight or tomorrow (I am tired as is he and both are starving atm!)

Much love to you all! What a great achievement today! Will try to post pics tonight. You’re all amazing! It’s my first proper success in this “tidy after depression” journey! So happy and very lucky to have all your support Flowers

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LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 19:42

Oh to add- fiancé did have another go over with the vanish on the sofa. It is improving now so that’s certainly encouraging! Need to follow advice of the pp who said to use dish soap and water. Will do so tomorrow. Just happy to note that there is improvement already re sofa too Smile

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mamakoukla · 03/03/2021 19:54

Oh my gosh! Enjoy your home as you are discovering it all over again! It’s a perfect time, with spring on the way.

With the chicken and potato, either some lightly cooked green beans or a simple green salad dressed with olive oil and balsamic vinegar, or even olive oil, salt and lemon juice. Leftover potato can be fried the next day, or incorporated into a tortilla type omelette. Extra chicken meat, I freeze for later use. Chicken carcass - freeze or make stock. Cover carcass with water, salt, pepper, 3-4 bay leaves, 2-3 cardamom pods, some celery and red onion (I have a stock of wilted celery, ends of onions that get tossed in a freezer bag for this reason). Boil up for 60-90 min. Strain. Pick meat off and add to stock. Cool then refrigerate until the fat has solidified, making it easy to skim. Stock can be used or frozen in batches.

Rest well this evening! Maybe plan for a lighter day to pace the week out, and time off for both of you at the weekend to enjoy your new space together.

LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 20:54

Gross before.. so terrible

With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
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LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 20:54

Lovely after ❤️

With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
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LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 20:56

I love my new chopping board and whisk and blender and little utensil collection 😂 strangely proud of my new Smeg blender, and my old teapot both equally!

With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
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LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 20:57

My lovely organised food cupboard that I’m oddly proud of Blush

With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
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LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 20:59

And my little odds and ends one too with random tea coffee Nutella Confused and salt pepper and other stuffs. My little piggy salt and pepper things haha

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With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
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LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 21:04

And my lovely new forks spoons knives set and utensils drawer. And my small but strangely somehow organised (yes I am oddly proud of this fact! Grin ) plates cups and pans etc cupboard.

Oh and I just put new bags in the clean bin and used a pps suggestion of two bags one inside and one being used outside (for ease of changing to a new bag quickly later on- thank you for that tip!)

I am oddly proud of strange things I know.. but whatever it takes! Be prepared when I do my lounge for the same odd pride in my candles! And other things I’m sure! Grin

With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
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crochetcrazy1978 · 03/03/2021 21:05

The organised mum method is brilliant for breaking cleaning into manageable chunks (you don't have to be a mum to use it). She has a website with all the info, a book, an app and a great fb group. She has sections on dealing with clutter as well. Essentially little and often to a routine is the key. Good luck x

LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 21:11

Oh my new oven !! I put my hand as a sort of reference for size .. so not as big as a regular oven per se.. but does everything an oven is meant to and is more than big enough .. especially for the size of my tiny kitchen!

With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
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liverpool1981 · 03/03/2021 23:06

Well done you x
A job well done
It's like a new lease of life having a clean tidy space

CornedBeef451 · 03/03/2021 23:22

@LadyInParis you should be proud!

You inspired me to sort my kitchen out today, just putting all the crap away and I even cleaned out the cutlery drawer, it was quite disgusting!

I love SPN season 4 onwards too, it's like a comfort blanket, that and Greys Anatomy.

Hope you get some sleep tonight.

LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 23:22

Thank you I’m so happy 😀 I just put a chicken and some sweet potato and regular potatoes in the oven I’ll attach a pic. I’m so tired I followed no recipes (I’m so sorry for those who gave advice I will follow another time! I used olive oil, salt, spices and pepper, garlic, onion, and stuck in it the oven.. same ish for potatoes- peel dice salt pepper oil oven.. so tired!) I hope i get crispy skin and it turns out ok! I’ll use the recipes in future though! Also I have a cake to make Grin I’m tired but I’m so happy I want to cook everything in my new (smaller than thought!) oven! He said no don’t cos you’re tired but I’m excited!! It’s my little celebration haha! Tomorrow I’ll be working again so why not enjoy some good food and cake while I can? It’s only a bang it in the tin and it’ll do itself type. I’m not making it from scratch! Anyway how is your evening?

With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
With no parents as a child to help me to learn cleaning/ organisational/ budgeting skills, my home has become horrific and I am hoping someone has tips please? Possible TW in my background
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LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 23:29

You inspired me to sort my kitchen out today, just putting all the crap away and I even cleaned out the cutlery drawer, it was quite disgusting!

That’s great! I’m so happy about that!!! How did you get on? I struggled but well.. I guess you saw the before Envy not envy! Mine was more than disgusting too haha.

Ah yes! It is like a comfort blanket! I find it so comfortable to watch and drift off to.. If I watched something too boring and or too exciting (spn is mega exciting but I have seen it lots!) I end up not being able to sleep. I can’t sleep with silence I just can’t. It’s ever so odd. So I have to have the perfect combination of not boring and not too exciting, on low and the screen brightness on the lowest, then I can settle. Supernatural is perfect! I loved the “yellow fever” episode! Do you remember that one!? I haven’t seen greys anatomy. Oh I’ll sleep tonight that’s for sure haha!

It's like a new lease of life having a clean tidy space

Isn’t it just! God, I think I actually... like adulting... Wahey!

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LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 23:30

@crochetcrazy1978

Thank you! Flowers I’m getting there little by little!

I now have my cleaning cupboard back, and my kitchen back ❤️

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crochetcrazy1978 · 03/03/2021 23:31

[quote LadyInParis]@crochetcrazy1978

Thank you! Flowers I’m getting there little by little!

I now have my cleaning cupboard back, and my kitchen back ❤️[/quote]
Well done!! Keep going little by little you'll be in a great place before you know it x

LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 23:34

@crochetcrazy1978

Thank you for your kind words. It’s so nice to have support and advice and that people actually care about my dull chicken pics and ramblings about my new blender Blush it’s helped so so much it really has. I honestly don’t think I’d have got this far otherwise. I would have eventually I suppose, but not feeling like this - so excited and cheered on and stuff! It’s so nice Flowers

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LadyInParis · 03/03/2021 23:37

I hope it turns out nice!!

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CornedBeef451 · 03/03/2021 23:43

That all looks lovely, well done!

My kitchen wasn't too bad, it's just small and cluttered unless I put everything away every single time. All the drawers need cleaning out, I nearly bought a special hoover attachment to do it but then realised it wouldn't fit any of my various rubbish vacuum cleaners. And I'd then have to find somewhere to keep the new attachment and I have enough stuff already.

I started watching SPN to have in the background while I was ding monotonous work but I found from season 4 I actually wanted to watch it properly. They are a very pretty bunch of men! Yellow fever is pretty funny, I really like the one where Castiel dies and Dean loses it, I think it's season 11/12, so much angst.

Have a good night!

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