Am I the only HE'er who is glad that the others have gone back to school?

[singingmum]

Having watched the behaviour of local school children over the hols,I am so happy that they are no longer going to be running riot on the streets all day while their parents let them cause havoc.I know that not all parents let their ds's run riot but a large majority have this summer on this estate and personally I'd like to kill them.Harsh I know,but we've had bored dc's everywhere and have suffered from bullying to our dc's and also damage to our fencing.I'm sick of parents(and it's a couple of families inparticular who are responsible)letting this happen.It's as though they have switched off to their dc's behaviour or aren't used to dealing with it as they don't see them enough or something.
Ok so I know that some people will take offence but we have had bored dc's since the second week of the hols and I just am so glad that these dc's are now off the streets and finally will have something to keep their attention.
I'm not saying that all parents who send their dc's to school are like this but the estate I live on was so lovely until someone started letting houses to tenants that the council and others had evicted etc. and now we have to put up with the side effects of this.
Apologies to anyone who is interested in their children but why can't these parents get a handle on these dc's????
Rant over

I don't think this probably equally to do with SAHM's, those who work part time, or anyone who spends time in their house during the day (not specifically HE's).

I see what singingmum is saying but the truth is that kids are kids the world over. It is the summer - they make lots of noise and maraud all over the streets on bikes etc. It's what they do in the summer fgs! I quite enjoy watching them playing and enyoying themselves. The whole point of the summer holiday is that they get to have a break from learning.

We moved off a 'dodgy' estate to a very affluent one and basically the children behave in exactly the same way (albiet they don't cause criminal damage).

I would suggest earplugs for next summer

Do you know almost all heart surgeons went to school? And that nearly every single person with a first from university went to school? That nearly all teachers, high court judges, philantropists, heads of charities all went to - gasp - a school?
Hardy any (none?)were home educated.

Now, does that mean all home educated children are losers? Of course it doesn't. It means that only a tiny percentage of children don't go to school. It is simply an idiotic comparison to make.

Honestly can't remember all the stats on the Times Ed article, as it was a while ago.

There are rising numbers of school getting parents to de-regester rather than expell children though. Which is not a good thing IMHO, because some of these parents are not choosing to home ed, it is being foised on them. Often this happens in the year 11 time.

In addition the reason for the HE/Exclusion is often unsupported SEN and/or major behavioural issues, neither of which is going to make HE these children an easy task, if the parents are not really keen IYSWIM.

I do find the comment that many school educated children cannot concentrate for an hour deeply insulting. HE kids and SE kids can be good, bad or middling. Just like the rest of us.

This thread seems to be degenerating into a slanging match. Fartmeister's remarks are equally insulting to home-educators.

Just read the OP again

Really shouldn't have done that

Reeks of "I stay at home with my kids all the time, anyone who doesn't is letting their kids turn into ASBO statistics.

[fume]

As you say mb, deeply insulting. Not just to parents who send their children to school but to their teachers who on the whole do a fantastic job, and not one that I could do myself.

FWIW I have a friend who is seriously considering HEing her dd. Fine, if she wants to do it and it suits them. It isn't HEing I object to, just the implication by that sending my dd to school I am somehow failing her.

Singersmum, i really am sorry that your dc's have been bullied and that you have had your property damaged. That is unfair and you are right to be upset. But to blame it on the fact that the children are school educated and have parents who may not be at home all the time (some of us have no choice but to work) is short sighted and wrong.

Aloha, fyi, some worthy home-educators

Sorry should read home-educated

I don't think HE can claim people before (virtually) universal free education was available

and two bedingfields - a tad desperate??

Also www.home-education.org.uk/article-famous-he.htm

Sorry - I don't understand your remarks, Bundle.

juuule - I have no strong opinion on home educated or school educated. I really feel that it's up to the individual. Sorry if you are offended at my reaction to my children being tarred by a universal brush of being unsuitable to play with.

I am well aware that there are great home educators out there.

But I was mighty offended at the insinuation that the wildness of the children on the OP's estate is due to the fact that they are not home educated. 'The Others' as she puts it.

Joan of Arc!

Okay, Fartmeister, I can understand that.

mozart, joan of arc, washington - many people were HE'd because schools weren't universally available, so (relatively) rich people were educated at home either with tutors or by their educated parents.

bedingfields self explan

They became what they are famous for without the institution of school. Some of them were not rich, relatively or otherwise.
Being educated by your educated parents is not a negative thing surely.
As to the Bedingfields, they are two separate people why shouldn't they merit a mention each?

Why such an arbitrary selection? Because God knows if you're going back as far as Joan of Arc you have a devil of a lot to choose from....

Or is it an educational resource.

'Cos that would make sense.

Ignore me then

That list is rubbish. First, obviously as others have said it is patently absurd to include people who were educated before school based eduacation was universally available. Secondly, it is factually wrong. Margaret Atwood for example went to school from around 11 onwards. She didn't go earlier because she grew up in the backwoods of Quebec. There are a number of other people who also went to school at a delayed stage due to particular circumstances. As for a lot of other names on the list, many were educated by masters and governesses at home because that's the way very young children were taught at time. It was in no way a rejection of the school system as my=uch.

Martha Washingtone 'home educated' puhlease!!!! Why not include Plato and Socrates?

Anyway, it's noce to have all my prejudices about HE'ers confirmed on thsi thread.

PSML at Joan of Arc!! Very amusing.
What about Vlad The Impaler? Herod?

vlad just wanted to avoid being in the behaviour book! or sitting on the naughty step!

Although a list where Natasha Bedingfield, Mozart and Joan of Arc cosy up together is rare IMO.

It is quite hard to get a list of people who did well that were educated at school! Not because they don't exist, but because there isn't a central resource.

5 minutes with google came up with the following from the field of biology

Darwin
Ernest Chain, worked on Penicillin
Francis Crick
Rosalind Franklin
Norman Borlaug (the father of the green revolution)

And I'm so sure there are many, many more.

Genghis Khan - did he go to school? (Thinking of the OP and certain similarities with regards to anti-social behaviour...)

But he may be cancelled out by Hitler, who I think did go to school

MB - some of the names from the He list were also educated at school for part of the time (only HE for part of the childhood, the list itself states that) - so a few from that list could be added.