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Am I the only HE'er who is glad that the others have gone back to school?

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singingmum · 03/09/2007 10:19

Having watched the behaviour of local school children over the hols,I am so happy that they are no longer going to be running riot on the streets all day while their parents let them cause havoc.I know that not all parents let their ds's run riot but a large majority have this summer on this estate and personally I'd like to kill them.Harsh I know,but we've had bored dc's everywhere and have suffered from bullying to our dc's and also damage to our fencing.I'm sick of parents(and it's a couple of families inparticular who are responsible)letting this happen.It's as though they have switched off to their dc's behaviour or aren't used to dealing with it as they don't see them enough or something.
Ok so I know that some people will take offence but we have had bored dc's since the second week of the hols and I just am so glad that these dc's are now off the streets and finally will have something to keep their attention.
I'm not saying that all parents who send their dc's to school are like this but the estate I live on was so lovely until someone started letting houses to tenants that the council and others had evicted etc. and now we have to put up with the side effects of this.
Apologies to anyone who is interested in their children but why can't these parents get a handle on these dc's????
Rant over

OP posts:
terramum · 06/09/2007 11:37

Bikermum...I haven't "experienced" the school system yet as my DS is 3 years old....why should members such as myself go elsewhere? Why are people such as myself not welcome on this site? What site do you think would be more suitable? This is a parenting site....I am very puzzled by your attitude!

HappyDaddy · 06/09/2007 11:43

'thank God kids are back at school and away from my home educated kids'...

...Why? What's wrong with your home educated kids?

Bikermum · 06/09/2007 12:03

Terramum
I chose to HE my child and therefore come on this part to hear other HE'ers experiences and comments etc, so I am puzzled by people who have no interest in Home Educating their children coming on to a section titled 'Home Ed',It would be like me getting involved in a section relating to 'school education', it would be of no interest to me.

SueBaroo · 06/09/2007 12:05

What a bizaare thread.

As a HE mom, I do enjoy it when the school term starts, because it means trips to the park are a bit quieter and we don't have to queue for the swings.

Aside from that, the official school terms have no impact on our lives in any way whatsoever.

I'm sorry that you have little sods living near you singingmum, but I would have said that was a parenting, not a school issue.

juuule · 06/09/2007 12:06

Bikermum - would you stay off the school-ed forum if you were aware that someone was making derogatory remarks about home-ed children?

terramum · 06/09/2007 12:20

Bikermum...I understand that a little because I have also chosen to HE and occasionally some threads where people start bashing HE gets tiresome...I think your use of the word "site" confused me a little.

But I fail to see why anyone isn't welcome on here. Home ed doesn't have to mean full-time...most parents who send their children to school teach their children in their home as well...this thread has made references to schooled children so why would it not be relevant to their parents? I don't ever intend to use the school system unless my children wish to, but I still read threads on the schools boards simply because I am interested in "education" as a whole & know that there will still be relevant threads and information there. Children are children, no matter how they are educated.

I also fail to see why anyone who hasn't experienced the school system wouldn't be welcome here....I hope you aren't saying that just because I have home ed from the start and not sent my children to school I am not welcome here.

I chose to HE my child and therefore come on this part to hear other HE'ers experiences and comments etc, so I am puzzled by people who have no interest in Home Educating their children coming on to a section titled 'Home Ed',It would be like me getting involved in a section relating to 'school education', it would be of no interest to me.

TigerFeet · 06/09/2007 12:21

Bikermum

As it happens, I didn't specifically come on the Home Ed part of the forum, this conversation kept cropping up in Active Convos (which is how I browse MN) so I clicked on it to see what all the fuss was about. My jaw dropped lower and lower as I read the thread so I felt I had to post.

My point is - are you absolutely sure that all the "feral" children are school educated? Is it not possible for HE children to also be "feral" when not actively being taught by parents? I made the point about my decision about my dd's schooling to try and point out that I (and I'm sure the massive majority) of parents of school educated children will be teach our children how to behave outside school. I felt that this was a valid contribution to the thread. Sorry you don't agree

Hulababy · 06/09/2007 13:32

Bikermum - excuse me. How can you tell me to leave the site (MN) because they haven't experienced the school system yet? LOL! MN is about way more than HE you know!

And sorry, your tone is awful in places and you are not setting a great standard nor example for HE families. Maybe we should think all HE mums are the same? Like you are lumping all school ed children and families together?

Get real!

In the OP the poster is complaining about some children. It happens that, she believes, they are school educated children. Therefore the conclusion is the school educated children are unrul and as bad as one another. And you support this?

And parents of school ed (or to be school ed) children should just sit back and listen and accept it as ok? Ha ha ha!!! As if that is going to happen.

If you post an opinion expect people toc hallenge it. That is what MN - all its topic areas - is about. If you don't like the fact that you may be challenged by people who do not agree with you, then maybe it should be you looking for somewhere altogether more fluffy and suitable???

Hulababy · 06/09/2007 13:36

terramum

"I chose to HE my child and therefore come on this part to hear other HE'ers experiences and comments etc, so I am puzzled by people who have no interest in Home Educating their children coming on to a section titled 'Home Ed',It would be like me getting involved in a section relating to 'school education', it would be of no interest to me. "

Whilst I do not chose to HE my own child it does not mean that I don't have thoughts, interests and curiousity about HE.

I do not have a child with SN, but I like to read, and have sometimes posted, in the SN section.

I do not have a child in nappies, not a preschooler, nor a teenager, etc. but I also read those parts of MN and yes, sometimes I may post where I feel fit.

I use Active Conversations to navigate MN - always have done for past 4.5 years or so. I rarely look at which area of MN the thread title is located. I read a thread title and if it interests me I click. I read and sometimes I post. That is what is so fab about places like MN - no where is exclusive, everyone is welcome to post on whatever they like and give their thoughts and opinions!

thomcat · 06/09/2007 13:37

Why can't you just be pleased that some rowdy kids have gone back to school, what does you being a HE actually have anything to do with it?????

aloha · 06/09/2007 13:39

It's 'feral' not 'ferrel' btw.

Niecie · 06/09/2007 13:43

Not sure it has anything to do with your dc being home educated and them not. Anti-social behaviour is obviously not pleasant to live with and you have my sympathy.

However, I am sure there are plenty of parents whose children are no HE who don't like what is going on around them and are glad to have all the children back in school too.

Are you saying that any parent who doesn't HE their children doesn't know how to handle them because they don't see them enough? I think, perhaps, maybe, you might get a hint of criticism it that is your stance.

terramum · 06/09/2007 13:47

Hulababy....sorry that bit at the end of my post was quotes from Bikermum's....forgot to delete it

juuule · 06/09/2007 13:52

Hulababy - I think Terramum was quoting what Bikermum said in her post of 12:03:35. and was responding to it.

Hulababy · 06/09/2007 14:12

Ah, that explains my confusion a bit terramum. Sorry about that.

Bikermum · 06/09/2007 15:06

If you read my posts correctly you would see that I said I do not believe that all school educated children are badly behaved, but then again you obviously also didn't notice the question originaly was directed at HE'ers hence the title of this thread it was something like 'Am I the only HE'er who is glad the others have gone back to school'? And I trust that Aloha will be checking my spelling.((hmm))

Blandmum · 06/09/2007 15:10

juuule, it was a figure quoted in the Times ed a little while ago. there are extimated that 25% of HE children are in fact not really getting a suitable education.

Now, granted there is a degree of antipathy of the Educational establishment to HE, but this was the figue quoted. It came, out of two things, the rising numbers of 'Fake' if you will HE, who are kids excluded by another name, and those parents who's inspections where failed.

speedymama · 06/09/2007 15:27

Bikermum, as you home ed, I hope your children have access to a dictionary.

terramum · 06/09/2007 15:30

MB - was that the same piece that quoted the rather questionable 150,000 figure? Seem to remember the rest of it wasn't particularly good either

terramum · 06/09/2007 15:36

Speedy I think that is rather uncalled for. Would you be offended if I hoped that your children have access to adults/peers who can teach them them not to be insulting or judgemental toward others?

aloha · 06/09/2007 15:47

"My dc's have excellent manners,they can concentrate for more than 1hr,they are helpful and respect others.The majority of the children who go to school however have none of this."

Smug, smug, smuggity smug. Not to mention offensive and stupid.

Blu · 06/09/2007 15:52

BikerMum - Your arguments are simply exacerbating what Singersmum possibly unintentionally started - a sense of complete separation, non-dialogue and non-communication between people who home ed and those who don't. Singersmum made generalisations, in a 'them and us' tone in a thread title that appears in Active Conversations. MN is an open message board - people are entitled to give their input or feedback wherever they like. You seem to want a ermetically sealed world.

LOL - can you imagine one of our male posters posting a title like 'Any men glad that they can go to work for some peace away from noisy chattering wives?' and not have expected some comeback?? And then saying 'This is the Men's room, we can say what we want about women, go to another board!'

Blu · 06/09/2007 15:55

Singermum - that word 'majority', and the whole way you make suppositions from a comparison between your children and the ones form a few families on your estate is very unsound.

juuule · 06/09/2007 15:55

That's along the lines that I was thinking, terramum. Considering that figures I've seen quoted for he children can be anywhere between 40,000 and 150,000, a quote of 25% would seem somewhat unreliable anyway.
Also, any home-educators who couldn't show they were providing a suitable education would receive school attendance orders and shouldn't be included in those figures anyway.
Any de-registered children would be known to th LA and are usually followed up with enquiries as to how a suitable education is being provided.

fartmeistergeneral · 06/09/2007 16:05

I don't actually give a half shit if you HE or school educate a child. I just hate superiority in any form, and this OP reeks of it.

My kids are running wild as we speak. They are outside in the sunshine, on their bikes, shouting and laughing and I have no intention of stopping them - even if there's a HE mother crouched in her house somewhere, clutching her poor darlings close to her in case they get any funny ideas about what childhood is all about....