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Am I the only HE'er who is glad that the others have gone back to school?

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singingmum · 03/09/2007 10:19

Having watched the behaviour of local school children over the hols,I am so happy that they are no longer going to be running riot on the streets all day while their parents let them cause havoc.I know that not all parents let their ds's run riot but a large majority have this summer on this estate and personally I'd like to kill them.Harsh I know,but we've had bored dc's everywhere and have suffered from bullying to our dc's and also damage to our fencing.I'm sick of parents(and it's a couple of families inparticular who are responsible)letting this happen.It's as though they have switched off to their dc's behaviour or aren't used to dealing with it as they don't see them enough or something.
Ok so I know that some people will take offence but we have had bored dc's since the second week of the hols and I just am so glad that these dc's are now off the streets and finally will have something to keep their attention.
I'm not saying that all parents who send their dc's to school are like this but the estate I live on was so lovely until someone started letting houses to tenants that the council and others had evicted etc. and now we have to put up with the side effects of this.
Apologies to anyone who is interested in their children but why can't these parents get a handle on these dc's????
Rant over

OP posts:
Blandmum · 06/09/2007 17:42

....The fantastic Billy Bragg who even went to a comprehensive school

terramum · 06/09/2007 17:43

chocolatedot - but it doesn't make their achievements any less valid though does it - just because they couldn't send their children to school?

aloha · 06/09/2007 17:44

ooooh, the chief rabbi, wouldn't want to live next door to him. Plays rap at full volume at 3am, I've heard.

aloha · 06/09/2007 17:45

Archbishop of Canterbury. Tearaway.

Niecie · 06/09/2007 17:46

Terramum - I should have said that they aren't the only ones. Sorry - didn't make sense did it Losing the plot again - I think we are ageeing with one another?!

I will retire now and go and do something that doesn't require coherent thoughts.

Blandmum · 06/09/2007 17:46

I understand the Chief Rabbi was a terrible one for playing knock the mezuzah and run away.........

(no offense Rabbi!)

TellusMater · 06/09/2007 17:47

Look, I don't really have a problem with these people being claimed for HE (apart from the ones who had some school input as well, because unless you can separate out the effect each had....), because juule is right. They did do what they did without the benefit of a school education.

The fact that they did it when the majority of their peers had no school education either though might suggest that had they lived in an era when schooling was more commonplace, then they might have achieved the same after having attended school, alongside those same peers. That is, they would have maintained the same advantage in a different setting.

So they don't demonstrate any advantage of home ed'ing.

Blandmum · 06/09/2007 17:49

the dalai lama had a monastic education, where would that put him?

Greensleeves · 06/09/2007 17:49

God this thread is soooooooo fucking stupid

aloha · 06/09/2007 17:49

Jesus probably went to school. And we know how he ended up. A criminal. Which proves it, eh?

TellusMater · 06/09/2007 17:50

A faith school MB

Blandmum · 06/09/2007 17:51

and look what a little tyke he is now!

aloha · 06/09/2007 17:52

And that Jesus, causing havoc in temples. Now, if he'd just stayed home with his mum, this would never have happened.

chocolatedot · 06/09/2007 17:53

Terramum, whilst it doesn't make their achievements less valid (why one earth would it?), it tells you precisely zero about the advantages of Home Education.

Blandmum · 06/09/2007 17:54

....Harry Potter

.....Just William

....Horrid Henry

TellusMater · 06/09/2007 17:55

chocolatedot - that is just what I was trying to say in my rambling post below

slayerette · 06/09/2007 18:05

I bet that William Shakespeare didn't even use a computer to write his plays on. Nor did Christopher Marlowe. And Milton chose to write the whole of Paradise Lost out by hand ! Fancy that!

What about Columbus - didn't use a plane to cross the Atlantic you know. Went in a ship.

If all these people who were educated at home because school education was not universally available - and they had tutors/governesses - are going to be used as promoters of HE, then I could go on like this for hours...

harpsichordcarrier · 06/09/2007 18:06

this thread is bonkers
surely it depends on the school and the parents in every single case.
I went to the crappiest school imaginable but the edcuation was a hell of a lot better than the education I would have received at home
there is no correlation whatsoever between going to school and behaviour.

aloha · 06/09/2007 18:08

PSML Slayerette...but of course Milton wasn't stupid, he lay on the sofa and dictated Paradise Lost to his poor daughters who wrote the whole thing by hand, and didn't even have a dictaphone.

harpsichordcarrier · 06/09/2007 18:10

(that is probably the most blindgingly obiouvs thing I or indeed anyone has ever posted on mn)

Blandmum · 06/09/2007 18:10

MB, RESIST THE TEMPTATION TO DO THE CRAP GAG< RESIST< RESIST!

chocolatedot · 06/09/2007 19:30

Well I've enjoyed this thread hugely - a real laugh.

I have v limited experience with Home Educators but I know 3 or 4 locally. I hate to draw conclusions from such a small sample but one thing that has struck me is that they seem very regimented in their thinking. One example is that none of them has a television, one bizarrely even congratulated me when I happened to mention that one of my children has no interest in telly. They just don't seem to be able to understand that many parents are able to successfully monitor and control the amount of tv watching let alone accept the fact that actually, telly can be a lot of fun.

Isababel · 06/09/2007 21:36

I think that the majority of people who posted in this thread (HE or not) found the generalisations made by Singingmum quite ofensive. I'm sorry to see, comming back to this thread, that it has degenerated into this.

aloha · 06/09/2007 22:39

I've actually agreed with Singingmum on lots of stuff before. I think she's had a rush of blood to the head

Julienoshoes · 06/09/2007 23:05

chocolatedot
Just goes to show that you can't generalise on any sections of society I suppose.

We home educate -and we don't regulate the amount of television at all.
Some days they watch a lot, some days they don't watch at all. I'd agree that TV can be a lot of fun. Our children choose to watch 'fun' and 'educational' programmes and get a hell of a lot from both. It is far from the be all of their education-TV comes a very poor second to doing something fun inside or outside the home-like attending camps/gatherings/workshops/social events with their home ed peers.

Many home educators are like us-'autonomous home educators' or 'unschoolers' in US speak. There is an interesting "Arguments against arguments against TV" on an 'unschooling' site here;
against arguments against TV

After nearly seven years of home educating, I now know that there are as many different ways to home educate as there are home ed families doing it.