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Once again thinking of HE... please talk to me! (Long sorry!)

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fuzzpig · 28/01/2015 17:38

Today I completely failed to get my DCs to school. Both have the odd day when they just refuse. DS (5, yr1) in particular - he gets very clingy and upset. DD (7, yr3) is having a bullying issue and that's what got her upset today, although she would've gone in if DS had, I think.

I've lurked/posted here under various names since I joined MN around 2010, and both DH and I are very pro-HE. We've read a bit about it and made plans about how we'd approach it, I even had plans for projects etc! We decided to give nursery/school a go though, and DD flourished immediately (she's very social... unlike us!) so we put HE plans on hold with the agreement that we would absolutely HE if we felt it best. This turned out to be a blessing as DH got an injury and lost his job, I had to go to work but then I got very ill - I'm now disabled with a variable, unpredictable condition. There's no way we would've managed if they weren't at school.

Things went pretty well until this September when DD moved to juniors (separate school, not primary) - it's huge (150 pupils per year) and she was overwhelmed. She has friends (barring this 'frenemy') but just found it too much really, she became even more anxious - she's always been sensitive - and wasn't sleeping. She has a referral for this as it does affect many aspects of her life. Anyway sometimes she would have to be peeled off me at the classroom door, which had honestly never happened before. BUT academically it has been surprisingly good for her - she's blossomed under the clearer structure and adores homework and spelling tests, finally enjoying and making progress in maths etc.

DS, who loved reception, is sometimes completely refusing to even get dressed now. Due to my health I simply cannot force him or 'drag' him to school (and we have no car to bundle him into). I tried once and really suffered for it. When I ask, he says it (the school day) 'takes too long', and he misses me. He also hates assembly and says it hurts his ears (he does cover his ears at loud noises, and has had congestion/hearing loss in the past so this is feasible, but school don't seem convinced). He is youngest in the year too, and has a significant speech disorder although that is gradually improving.

Anyway, both schools are very supportive and understanding and we've always been very open about or struggles. I have arranged a meeting with the infants SENCO tomorrow and am awaiting a call from the welfare officer at the juniors, both because they want to see how else they can help. I'm in a bad phase healthwise - not been to work for a few weeks - and I'm scared of their attendance dropping - I doubt the EWO would be so sympathetic as the schools themselves!

So back to today - I just wasn't up to the battle of getting them there. They both visibly relaxed when I agreed, and were very happy to do "school at home". We've had a great day - a bit of maths, reading, spelling etc, and DD even spent well over an hour enthusiastically making a poster to show her class, after reading more about a topic they'd briefly touched on at school. She said "I've set myself some homework!" and was so happy doing it! The only thing they've grumbled about is lack of telly (which we don't have during the school week anyway).

I'm just confused really and I have no idea what to do. Most of the time they are fine but when they have a bad day it's not just bad but impossible! But I was wary of making this too fun (hence not putting DVDs on - which I would, if we were actually HEing) in case the school refusal (if I can even call it that, when it's not constant) gets worse because they want to stay home more. And I'm worried that the fact I have idly dreamed of HE for years will cloud my judgement if it's not actually the best thing to do in this instance, IYSWIM. If they were refusing every day then it would be a much easier choice! DH (who due to his past is much angrier about this other girl upsetting DD) is very gung-ho and "we will make it work" but although I am yearning to just take them out, my head is more powerful than my heart.

I'm reasonably confident they could learn a lot at home (not that I'm saying it'd all be easy like today!), but there's the practical worries - money?! DH's job is low income at the moment, and without my extra pittance from part time work we would struggle (although things might get easier as our rent will decrease if we get housed - currently on register... which incidentally would mean we'd have to change schools anyway, because there's virtually no council housing in this relatively affluent part of town). Because of money and physical constraints I'm worried their world would just become TOO small, if that makes sense? Even continuing things like Brownies would be a strain on our wallets. And selfishly I worry what effect it would have on me - I need, need, NEED downtime both mentally (I have AS) and physically, and would lose confidence without my job I think. There's no family who could help really and with both of us being very shy, we don't have a support network per se and would really struggle to make one. Today I've got by because we are literally 'playing school', so they've had playtimes when teacher can have a rest - can't see that working long term. Getting enough exercise is a concern too, I worry enough as it is because I currently can't manage to visit the park after school etc and we don't have a garden to run around it (again this will hopefully change with council housing).

Oh gosh this is ridiculously long, apologies. I have just had all these thoughts going round and round for weeks/months now and I'm hoping for some wise words from you lovely people! :)

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fuzzpig · 23/02/2015 00:46

Thanks toffee Thanks

I think while DH and I have had years to get to grips with the idea, it's so new to DD and it's only just sinking in. It's nothing but relief for DS, but DD has fun at her school even though she finds it overwhelming.

I will be very careful not to rush her. I genuinely think she will be happier out of school (and have better friendships too - while I'm glad she has a 'bestie' she is VERY overbearing IYSWIM and I think home ed will help DD have more equal relationships) but I am so scared she will one day resent us for making her leave.

I admit I am nervous because we need to sort out the childcare issue for definite (signing contract on Wednesday) and also TBH I am worried what will happen if she talks about HE at school. But of course I'm not saying any of that to her :)

I'm not entirely convinced she won't change her mind and decide to go in the morning, so DH won't take the letter yet. The worst that can happen is that I phone her up sick tomorrow instead (not a total lie anyway as she has a horrible cough).

She's been frantic about my health too. I had a (routine but annoying) test done the other day and she is desperate to come with me for the next one no matter how much I reassure her. It's another thing that makes me think she just wants to be with me all the time but unfortunately it's on when she will be at CMs. And what if they aren't happy at the CMs?!

AAAAARGH you can see where DD gets her propensity to worrying can't you... Blush

Anyway I should really be asleep now so I'm going to doze in front of a Big Bang Theory DVD and try and chill. I think tomorrow will be good, I'll let them decide what to do, definitely :)

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ToffeeWhirl · 23/02/2015 09:03

I love what I've seen of Big Bang Theory and always mean to watch more of it. Hope it helped you sleep.

Good luck today. All your worries are perfectly natural at this stage. Perhaps you need to remember that whatever you do it's not irreversible: if your DD doesn't enjoy home ed, she can go back to school at a later date.

So many changes for you - just take it step by step.

fuzzpig · 23/02/2015 10:29

Thanks again. It's really helping to be able to vent here!

Both DCs happy this morning, DD didn't mention wanting to go to school (and they were up insanely early so we could have got there). Well actually she said "DS, it's a school day today... HAHA TRICKED YOU" :o

Anyway they've been happy doing crafty stuff, DD was a bit disappointed nobody could come over today but DH is taking them to the skate park later. DS actually decided to pick up a book and read to me Shock

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ToffeeWhirl · 23/02/2015 12:24

Venting is good. Vent away as much as you like. Smile

Sounds like you're off to a good start, with happy children. Fantastic that DS decided to read to you.

Sadly, the novelty of home ed has worn off for DS2 and working with him was a struggle this morning after our relaxing holidays. I've pointed out to him that the advantage of getting through Maths exercises and so on as quickly as possible (rather than whining at me!) is that he then has the rest of the day to do what he wants. Hopefully, he's seeing the truth in that as he's now able to spend the rest of the morning reading his new books, which arrived in the post today Smile.

fuzzpig · 23/02/2015 20:23

Ha, I often have that battle with DD when it comes to tidying and that sort of thing!

A few more people know now and on the whole it's been positive. My boss is concerned though, she thinks I will struggle more with my health because of the extra work, which is of course a valid concern. My friend was very peeved when I told her that, and made sure I agree that I mustn't let anyone else's opinion dampen this :) it's great to have her support.

Had a great day all in all. They seem really happy. They're now spending time in bed trying to design a homeschool badge and motto :o it's really nice not to be shouting at them to get to sleep because they have to be up early. Not that I'll be letting bedtime go completely to pot, but I absolutely believe that DD needs a long time to unwind (whereas DS usually sleeps instantly) and she benefits a lot from sitting in bed writing/drawing/doing sums because it soothes her. So now I can just let it happen rather than fight against it.

I also told a very dear friend, actually she's been like a mum to me in some ways. She was a primary teacher but has been retired for a good few years... anyway she immediately said she still has loads of resources and she is happy to visit and teach them too :o

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ToffeeWhirl · 23/02/2015 20:44

Aw, that's so sweet that they're working together to design a home-school badge and motto. I agree with you that one of the advantages of home ed is that you don't need to fret about bedtimes. DS2 struggles to get to sleep early, so was always tired in the mornings before school; now he can get as much sleep as he needs.

I'm really glad you have had mostly positive responses to your news. And it's wonderful that your friend has offered you resources and teaching.

Don't be put off by your boss's concerns about your health. With home ed, you can be flexible, so if you're having an off day, you can have a DVD/reading/snuggling on the sofa day.

I have a relative who disapproves strongly of my decision to home educate. DS2 is very shy, unless he's with us or his closest friends, and she puts it down to the fact that he's not at school, even though he's always been like this. She also asks me regularly, very pointedly, when he's going back to school. I once sent her a long email explaining about home ed and how it worked. It's the only email she has never replied to. I gave up trying after that.

I'm so glad your first day of home ed has been a happy one.

ToffeeWhirl · 23/02/2015 23:15

I have started a new thread about this, but, in case you don't see it, I just wanted to say: you can still get your children's World Book Day vouchers by emailing [email protected] and explaining that you are a home educator. Make sure you say how many vouchers you need (only one per child). I have just received two for my boys Smile.

fuzzpig · 24/02/2015 14:55

AAAAARGH

So we handed in the letters today. All good, DD was happy even though she saw others in the playground she actually went to hand in the letter herself!

Then while enjoying having the park to ourselves (:o) I got a phonecall from the infant school HT. Asking me to come in to talk about it.

Now I naively thought they'd read the letter and think ok, bye then and good riddance and do their legal bit, so this has made me feel all wobbly. :(

Do I need to go? I have read vaguely that schools can refuse to let you HE but I thought that was if the child had SEN. DS does have his speech disorder and is having help but he has not got a statement.

I know they have started setting up various things like referrals, but this was all stuff we welcomed because we were struggling. It's not like we are running from SS or anything.

WTF do we do?

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ToffeeWhirl · 24/02/2015 14:58

You don't need to go if you don't want to. And the HT can't stop you home educating. She probably wants to try to dissuade you and also find out why you have taken this action. If you want to have that conversation, then go. If not, just tell her politely that you're not interested.

streakybacon · 24/02/2015 15:48

I agree with Toffee.

Neither the school nor the LA can stop you home educating. SN doesn't come into it, nor does a statement. If a child is in special school you have to ask the LA for permission but they rarely refuse. The LA has to be satisfied that the SNs are being met but under new guidance the LA has to offer support to do so, and you can't be refused your right to HE because the child has additional needs.

If you think you might be pressured into changing your mind, it might be better if you don't go. Or perhaps agree to a phone chat rather than a face to face discussion. But you don't need to do either. The school is obliged to remove the child's name from the register from the date they receive notification or a specified date you give them. If that's today, then your child's education is no longer their responsibility.

fuzzpig · 24/02/2015 21:05

Thank you, that's very reassuring. I'm not sure if I want to. My instinct was "pffft sod that" but I also kind of want to put my point across. But then, I don't have to do I!

I did say that it really wasn't a spur of the moment/reaction against them or anything, that it's something we have thought about for a long time for both of them... HT was undeterred.

I have a feeling they will try and say we can't possibly teach him and help with his speech problems.

I'm erring on the side of not going, but maybe I'll write an email or something (I only used the basic template for the letter, and wrote a nice card that just thanked them and didn't mention HEing). I'm going to think about it for a while so hopefully they won't keep phoning this week. As you say they have to dereg him immediately they can't really do anything can they!

DD has had another wobble. She was at our neighbour's house for tea (won't be going again, came back stinking of weed Angry Shock) and it turned out the mum had told her she could stay round tonight and her DD could go to school with us in the morning... now I know this makes me sound horribly cynical but I KNOW she is pissed off because she has lost her gravy train - I have often taken her DD to school a couple of times a week, any time our other neighbour can't... no, she never does it herself...

Sorry, off on a tangent there. I'm just annoyed that she tried to manipulate DD.

Anyway, we had a good long chat and explained why she can't go to school tomorrow (she wanted one last day - it's not that she doesn't want to be HE! - but she turned down the chance yesterday and it's too late to just send her in now) - anyway they are at the CM tomorrow. They are looking forward to it, especially as I found out it's their monthly home ed picnic/meetup at an adventure playground.

Forgot to say toffee thanks for the info about the WBD voucher - I do sometimes get spare ones from my mum Blush but will look into that! :)

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streakybacon · 25/02/2015 07:54

You might find that his speech problems improve because he will learn better how to overcome them if he's not stressed by being in school.

SALT is an NHS service anyway, so if it's essential he should have it.

Does he have a statement (sorry, can't remember).

fuzzpig · 25/02/2015 08:22

TBH that's what I'm thinking streaky! Same with reading, writing and maths - because of his speech he is not able to show what he can do in even a small group I think. He will get so much more time to practise one-to-one and I'm really excited that I can tailor what we do to his exact needs :) and maybe it's a coincidence but since I've told him he doesn't have to go back to school, he has been voluntarily picking up books and reading (attempting anyway) everything in sight! And he's been more willing to repeat words properly.

I'd know if he had a statement wouldn't I? I've signed something regularly at school but it was just a small list of things teachers would do to help, and I think statements need to be hard fought for so I don't think it can be that.

He has SLT at the hospital, a run of four sessions every six months or so. So I don't see why that shouldn't continue. Although they did say that it can be done at school from yr2 onwards, so I hope that wouldn't be a problem.

The school were being very supportive - the senco even came along to one of the sessions to find out exactly what help he needs, and now they do 5-10 minutes a day one-to-one playing speech sound games that the therapist gave them. Which is fab obviously but I still think he would benefit more from HE. He's so exhausted from school that he never wants to do anything at home!

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streakybacon · 25/02/2015 08:30

Sounds as though you had an IEP but not a statement. Yes, you'd know you'd been through the process because it's not easy.

Here's a thought - you could apply for an Education Health and Care plan (new version of statements) to have his needs formally documented and support quantified, maybe even say it's so you'd be sure his needs would be met if you decide to return him to school. You could find you get an EHCP quite easily if the LA thinks that's your aim. Worth considering?

fuzzpig · 25/02/2015 16:13

That sounds great thanks - who would I contact for that do you think?

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streakybacon · 25/02/2015 16:47

SEN team at your LA. The address/email will be on the website. You might want to read the SEN COP 2014 here to familiarise yourself with the process. Section 9 is about EHCPs but other sections are relevant too.

fuzzpig · 28/02/2015 11:46

Thank you streaky I'll look into that :)

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fuzzpig · 28/02/2015 12:01

I just wanted to come back and update on our first week. It's been great fun and I can already see the DCs relaxing more. DD has had the odd wobble mainly about not seeing friends every day and I've found myself wondering if I should've made her continue at school for a bit before deciding, but overall she still seems set on HE and is happy.

We have mostly had positive reactions too and supportive comments. One of my dearest friends - a retired teacher - has offered resources and even to teach the DCs sometimes!

We went to London on a weekday afternoon just because we could :o and although I haven't made them sit down and 'learn stuff' they've been diving into various subjects already and are talking about what maths/literacy we will be doing etc.

DD found a workbook I was going to start soon on hiragana and asked "is this Japanese mummy? Can I learn it with you?" (We all love anime) :o DS made a model windmill from a paper craft kit and now wants to visit one, and he wants to build/visit a watermill too.

Clearly I'll have to learn to think on my feet - it's not quite what I thought we would be starting with -but I'm so excited that they're already choosing what to learn about!

Oh, and they had their first session with CM this week and it just so happened to be the monthly HE meetup at an adventure playground. They loved it and made some friends :) there's absolutely loads going on locally so we will have to be very selective!

Anyway I am going to namechange soon because I've been fuzzpig for far too long now :o but I just wanted to say a HUGE thank you Thanks to all of you, it's been wonderful to have so much support and advice :)

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streakybacon · 28/02/2015 12:40

Sounds like an excellent start Grin. Keep up the good work. Glad it's all going well so far.

ToffeeWhirl · 28/02/2015 15:29

That sounds like a great start, fuzz. We love going on trips when everyone else is at school too: much quieter. Great news about making friends at the local HE meetup too. Smile

stilllearnin · 28/02/2015 17:00

Oh fuzz, I have been thinking about you all week! It sounds really great and i'm so pleased its been a good week. There will always be the odd wobble though, and you all need time to adjust, as long as it tips in favour of what you are doing that's all you need.

We are waiting for secondary school announcement this weekend for dd. if its not what we want we'll be looking at home ed too at least in the short term.

Saracen · 28/02/2015 19:04

That's terrific! I am delighted for you. Hope this is the start of many wonderful adventures for all of you.

fuzzpig · 10/07/2015 22:25

I'm just slipping back into my old name... I wanted to bump the thread because I am going to post an update :) Thanks

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