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Once again thinking of HE... please talk to me! (Long sorry!)

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fuzzpig · 28/01/2015 17:38

Today I completely failed to get my DCs to school. Both have the odd day when they just refuse. DS (5, yr1) in particular - he gets very clingy and upset. DD (7, yr3) is having a bullying issue and that's what got her upset today, although she would've gone in if DS had, I think.

I've lurked/posted here under various names since I joined MN around 2010, and both DH and I are very pro-HE. We've read a bit about it and made plans about how we'd approach it, I even had plans for projects etc! We decided to give nursery/school a go though, and DD flourished immediately (she's very social... unlike us!) so we put HE plans on hold with the agreement that we would absolutely HE if we felt it best. This turned out to be a blessing as DH got an injury and lost his job, I had to go to work but then I got very ill - I'm now disabled with a variable, unpredictable condition. There's no way we would've managed if they weren't at school.

Things went pretty well until this September when DD moved to juniors (separate school, not primary) - it's huge (150 pupils per year) and she was overwhelmed. She has friends (barring this 'frenemy') but just found it too much really, she became even more anxious - she's always been sensitive - and wasn't sleeping. She has a referral for this as it does affect many aspects of her life. Anyway sometimes she would have to be peeled off me at the classroom door, which had honestly never happened before. BUT academically it has been surprisingly good for her - she's blossomed under the clearer structure and adores homework and spelling tests, finally enjoying and making progress in maths etc.

DS, who loved reception, is sometimes completely refusing to even get dressed now. Due to my health I simply cannot force him or 'drag' him to school (and we have no car to bundle him into). I tried once and really suffered for it. When I ask, he says it (the school day) 'takes too long', and he misses me. He also hates assembly and says it hurts his ears (he does cover his ears at loud noises, and has had congestion/hearing loss in the past so this is feasible, but school don't seem convinced). He is youngest in the year too, and has a significant speech disorder although that is gradually improving.

Anyway, both schools are very supportive and understanding and we've always been very open about or struggles. I have arranged a meeting with the infants SENCO tomorrow and am awaiting a call from the welfare officer at the juniors, both because they want to see how else they can help. I'm in a bad phase healthwise - not been to work for a few weeks - and I'm scared of their attendance dropping - I doubt the EWO would be so sympathetic as the schools themselves!

So back to today - I just wasn't up to the battle of getting them there. They both visibly relaxed when I agreed, and were very happy to do "school at home". We've had a great day - a bit of maths, reading, spelling etc, and DD even spent well over an hour enthusiastically making a poster to show her class, after reading more about a topic they'd briefly touched on at school. She said "I've set myself some homework!" and was so happy doing it! The only thing they've grumbled about is lack of telly (which we don't have during the school week anyway).

I'm just confused really and I have no idea what to do. Most of the time they are fine but when they have a bad day it's not just bad but impossible! But I was wary of making this too fun (hence not putting DVDs on - which I would, if we were actually HEing) in case the school refusal (if I can even call it that, when it's not constant) gets worse because they want to stay home more. And I'm worried that the fact I have idly dreamed of HE for years will cloud my judgement if it's not actually the best thing to do in this instance, IYSWIM. If they were refusing every day then it would be a much easier choice! DH (who due to his past is much angrier about this other girl upsetting DD) is very gung-ho and "we will make it work" but although I am yearning to just take them out, my head is more powerful than my heart.

I'm reasonably confident they could learn a lot at home (not that I'm saying it'd all be easy like today!), but there's the practical worries - money?! DH's job is low income at the moment, and without my extra pittance from part time work we would struggle (although things might get easier as our rent will decrease if we get housed - currently on register... which incidentally would mean we'd have to change schools anyway, because there's virtually no council housing in this relatively affluent part of town). Because of money and physical constraints I'm worried their world would just become TOO small, if that makes sense? Even continuing things like Brownies would be a strain on our wallets. And selfishly I worry what effect it would have on me - I need, need, NEED downtime both mentally (I have AS) and physically, and would lose confidence without my job I think. There's no family who could help really and with both of us being very shy, we don't have a support network per se and would really struggle to make one. Today I've got by because we are literally 'playing school', so they've had playtimes when teacher can have a rest - can't see that working long term. Getting enough exercise is a concern too, I worry enough as it is because I currently can't manage to visit the park after school etc and we don't have a garden to run around it (again this will hopefully change with council housing).

Oh gosh this is ridiculously long, apologies. I have just had all these thoughts going round and round for weeks/months now and I'm hoping for some wise words from you lovely people! :)

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fuzzpig · 12/02/2015 22:42

"Just sayin'" seems to be becoming a catchphrase of yours, ommm :o :o

Anyway, TBH that's what I envisaged! At least, now she's feeling happier about the bullying issue (which I'm pleased seems to be resolving - as I don't want DD to feel like this one girl made her leave school IYSWIM?). In a way even the fact she said she isn't sure (as opposed to no way I'm staying in school silly mummy :o) is a pleasant surprise.

It's just difficult as I feel that even with her liking school, I can see it wearing her down even if she can't! Back to school tomorrow and she had an epic meltdown tonight, but of course she doesn't see the connection herself.

For practical reasons it would be good to know if we need two CM vacancies or one. Such a shame it's not possible to just take a long holiday from school and give HE a trial run without losing the school place!

Anyway. We will be meeting a CM on Monday, who has vacancies for everything we need so that's great, and then on Thursday we are meeting the HEing CM I mentioned earlier who unfortunately can't do one of the days (not sure it'd be wise to use two different CMs really?), but either way we can chat about what goes on locally, which is really exciting and makes it a whole lot more real. And of course as it's half term the DCs can visit too and find out more.

We had parents evening for DS tonight. It was nice and everything, but I just kind of feel like DS is a statistic, IYSWIM? Which isn't even the school's fault, I mean he's one of 30 isn't he. Maybe if we hadn't been considering HE so much lately, I wouldn't have even thought of it like that. It's just that I'm seeing the ways in which the learning isn't right for him. I'd not even really considered that until recently, I was so relieved the behaviour issues from reception year were resolved.

DS is star of the week tomorrow, so I really didn't want to mention HE to him as I want him to enjoy it (we both get to go and see him get the award) but TBH after he yet again didn't want to go today, I'm still wanting to tell him soon.

After the meetings over the last couple of days I keep worrying how the teachers will react if we take him out. Which I know is irrational, but I just really struggle with the whole 'what people think of me' thing IYSWIM.

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ToffeeWhirl · 12/02/2015 22:42

Yep, that is true about siblings following suit. Ds2 has followed his big brother's example and is now happily home educated too Smile.

isthatmorelego · 12/02/2015 22:45

Today dh even said you know what I wish I felt we could get as far as gcse level . I think today it has finally fallen in place with dh.
D's is like a new child and today is the first time I told someone we will decide when he goes back to school I'm fed up of is he in school yet I want to scream No FxxK Off!!

I hope you get the answers you need to make your choice to suit you as a family we are quite formal but that doesn't work for everyone I love the freedom

ToffeeWhirl · 12/02/2015 22:53

X-posted, fuzzpig. The childminder meetings sound promising - good luck with those.

Try not to worry what people will think of your decision. It's none of their business and you know your son better than they do. It's difficult to go against conventions and school is an expected rite of passage, so it does seem like an incredibly rebellious thing to do when you first do it.

But it will be fine. Just focus on doing the right thing for your children and don't bother what others think.

morethanpotatoprints · 12/02/2015 23:01

Wow this thread has moved on.
I just wanted to agree with your point about noticing more about the school system since considering H.ed
We were the same as we didn't leave due to any problems with school, it was a completely different reason and dd had been completely happy and content at school.
Its amazing what you see when you have an insight into H.ed

The cm sounds promising, I hope it goes well for you.

fuzzpig · 12/02/2015 23:14

Thanks everyone. I'm going to try and relax about DD's decision, and about what people think. I just struggle with the not knowing IYSWIM (in case it wasn't glaringly obvious, I am something of a worrier :o :o)

When I was telling DD about HE earlier, and said "you don't actually have to go to school" etc, it was like those memes on Facebook: "Mind = blown" :o

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stilllearnin · 12/02/2015 23:21

Hi fuzz. You're doing great! We got all sorts of reactions from school when we took ds out of year 4. A TA asked him if I was a teacher (he lied!). But the strictest old school type teacher said to me 'a child like yours doesn't need school - he just needs stimulating' I was quite taken aback by that. Really it will be a mixture but it is essential that a parent does what they think is right- nobody else has the childs interest quite at heart as you- that is precisely your job as a parent.

fuzzpig · 14/02/2015 08:41

Thanks, still :)

I'm going to spend some time chatting with DS about it today. DD seems to be talking as if she has made the decision to stay home too (DH told me that yesterday when he dropped her off, she was getting pale and shaky as they approached the door :().

I should probably attempt to start the mammoth task of tidying up and figuring out how to organise everything :o

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fuzzpig · 14/02/2015 10:12

Well DD has told me she definitely wants to do HE instead (and has declared she would like to call it 'Adventure School' :o).

So this is really happening. Both of them will be HEd.

:o :o :o

Hopefully we can get childcare sorted ASAP (the CM we are meeting on Monday has spaces now IIRC) but I think if there was a couple of weeks overlap my parents would be happy to help in the short term. There's no point in them going back after half term.

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Baddz · 14/02/2015 10:16

Best of luck fuzz Smile

streakybacon · 14/02/2015 10:24

God, I'm excited for you! How wonderful Grin. I wish you the best of luck but you won't need it. With both children on board, you'll fly - all of you!

ToffeeWhirl · 14/02/2015 10:58

That's so exciting, Fuzz! How wonderful. I love your DD's name for it too.
Grin

Saracen · 14/02/2015 12:57

Congratulations!! Have fun. You don't have to have everything tidied up. Many of us are never tidy! If tidyness matters to you then you can work towards it as you go along. Rope the kids in.

fuzzpig · 14/02/2015 13:18

Well we spent half an hour in their room which seemed to work well as it wasn't endless for them or me Wink

I think we will be doing little bits of maths/literacy straight away (they love it when we do it at home, so shouldn't be a problem) and other than that will probably just chill and tidy up and enjoy living!

They have decided what stuff they want to learn first though and it'll give them a good incentive to do their room properly, as we are going to decorate the hidden space under DD's cabin bed as the inside of an Egyptian tomb :o :o

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ommmward · 14/02/2015 13:52

fuzz - I don't normally get all that affected by people's (jolly splendid) journeys towards HE, but I have got to admit that when I read about your daughter wanting to do "Adventure School" I actually burst into tears. So happy for you all.

RigbyandMordecaisMum · 14/02/2015 14:31

Just catching up with this thread- the first 'HE project' we did was ancient eygpt too! We made salt dough cartouches, tutankhamuns burial mask and canopic jars out of pringle tubes.

Also agree being tidy and organised is not essential. In our house its not mess it's called 'work in progress' Grin we do have regular tidy up days now though, but as long as the house is clean and we can get to everything we need, I don't worry about the clutter so much.

fuzzpig · 14/02/2015 16:17

Oh ommm! Thanks :)

The bizarre thing is, although I'm feeling quite OMG about it all, the DCs don't seem like that, like it's just "yep cool we are staying home now" and even to me doesn't feel like a big deal in some ways?! I mean, yesterday I figured when I was picking them up from school, that this could be their last day. And it was like... ok then. Not in an "I'll be glad to see the back of this" type way either, because I don't hate the schools at all. It was just "ok, this part of their lives is done now" IYSWIM? And yet I cried buckets when DD had her last day at infant school in July!?! Blush I'm waffling sorry... but it's such a massive deal and yet seems incredibly normal too.

Ha, rigby, if we could just get to stuff that'd be a massive improvement frankly :o Blush

I love the Egypt craft ideas, thanks - might have to add Pringles to the shopping list... Shame eh Wink

Best friend (the teacher I mentioned earlier) is visiting tomorrow so we will tell her and I'm really excited to tell my friend at work on Monday, haven't seen her in a month anyway and she and I have daydreamed about HE before (her DCs are adults now, but she always wanted to HE), I know she will be really happy for us!

I do also have to tell the mum of DD's best friend. That is not going to be easy! Kind of glad they're away for another week so I can put it off.

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isthatmorelego · 14/02/2015 20:01

Congratulations. Just send a text explaining what's been going on and you've decided this is best for you.

Funnily enough our first project which we are half way through on yes you've guest Pharaoh's and mummies.

fuzzpig · 14/02/2015 20:44

Ha, seems to be a popular topic! :o

Told my SILs today and they are excited for us, and itching to get involved too! Sadly they don't live nearby anymore but we are staying with them later in the year :)

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maggi · 15/02/2015 09:22

Just a quick question..

If money will so so difficult - maybe you'll qualify for tax credit, childcare element (it can be 80% of childcare costs)?

PS - our ds is thriving in HE (after 7 years struggling at school) and ds2 is happily ploughing through school and is one of the ones who thrives there. It works (one HE, one school). A lot of HE events do allow for early departures to pick up schoolies as it is not uncommon for families to have mixed education.

fuzzpig · 15/02/2015 11:03

Thanks maggi. Thanks Is that the same as childcare vouchers? I know DH can get those, so I'll check with all the CMs I meet that they accept them. He's on a mission tomorrow to find out what type his company uses :) we already get some CTC and I think we are entitled to WTC as well, but we aren't getting the latter ATM because of last year's overpayment. Something like that. TBH DH knows more about it than I do Blush

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fuzzpig · 15/02/2015 18:03

Told my teacher BF today, she was surprised but is supportive. Was asking questions about it and stuff and knows that we feel it's what's necessary :) we often share ideas anyway (eg I suggested something today as she asked if I had ideas for a topic she's been told to do) so I expect that will continue!

Also have got in touch with some more local HE families, some have DCs of similar ages so that's great.

Tidied up a bit more too :o starting to get any useful stuff together. We won't need to get much beyond refilling art supplies to start with, I think :)

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isthatmorelego · 15/02/2015 21:56

Take your time enjoy half term, just don't forget to deregister.

We were pretty full on first couple of weeks now we're like OK we've not done So much today but will catch up over the next few days. As we are both disabled and and somedays it's a struggle to sitting to read let alone much more, didn't I read you have a few health issues yourself look after yourself or your not much use to anyone else

RigbyandMordecaisMum · 15/02/2015 22:44

You can never have too many art supplies Grin oh and printer ink and paper, we get through loads (just replaced the cartridges again today)

Definitely don't rush into things, take your time and find what works for you all at your own pace. I started keeping a diary of the things we do each day, not just HE stuff but anything in general. Its an idea I borrowed from work so we can see what activities etc. worked well and what went completely wrong! It really helps me see patterns and themes and remember what things the DC have shown interest in, which helps with planning ahead.

fuzzpig · 16/02/2015 07:52

Yep lego I have CFS/ME and an autoimmune condition too. I'm definitely going to have to be careful! In particular with trips out - I've realised the best day will be a Thursday but only on the (alternate) weeks where I have the Friday off.

We will just be relaxing this week as it's half term anyway, just using the time to tidy up more and sort childcare and get ready. DD is very excited as she is desperate to go to Smiggle in town to spend her pocket money, and I've said we can go this week and I'll let them choose one of their exercise books each too :o

Printer ink is hideously expensive isn't it! We haven't refilled ours for ages because I just use the one at work (as a customer I mean - though usually the senior staff say don't worry about paying... still I wouldn't want to take the piss by printing huge amounts!) - but there's a 'homework club' twice a week where children get free printing/photocopying anyway, so I may well use that as I know some other HE children do.

Any recommendations about where to get lots of paper please? My friend said they do it at costco so I could possibly ask them to pick some up if I give them the cash, as they have membership.

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