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Once again thinking of HE... please talk to me! (Long sorry!)

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fuzzpig · 28/01/2015 17:38

Today I completely failed to get my DCs to school. Both have the odd day when they just refuse. DS (5, yr1) in particular - he gets very clingy and upset. DD (7, yr3) is having a bullying issue and that's what got her upset today, although she would've gone in if DS had, I think.

I've lurked/posted here under various names since I joined MN around 2010, and both DH and I are very pro-HE. We've read a bit about it and made plans about how we'd approach it, I even had plans for projects etc! We decided to give nursery/school a go though, and DD flourished immediately (she's very social... unlike us!) so we put HE plans on hold with the agreement that we would absolutely HE if we felt it best. This turned out to be a blessing as DH got an injury and lost his job, I had to go to work but then I got very ill - I'm now disabled with a variable, unpredictable condition. There's no way we would've managed if they weren't at school.

Things went pretty well until this September when DD moved to juniors (separate school, not primary) - it's huge (150 pupils per year) and she was overwhelmed. She has friends (barring this 'frenemy') but just found it too much really, she became even more anxious - she's always been sensitive - and wasn't sleeping. She has a referral for this as it does affect many aspects of her life. Anyway sometimes she would have to be peeled off me at the classroom door, which had honestly never happened before. BUT academically it has been surprisingly good for her - she's blossomed under the clearer structure and adores homework and spelling tests, finally enjoying and making progress in maths etc.

DS, who loved reception, is sometimes completely refusing to even get dressed now. Due to my health I simply cannot force him or 'drag' him to school (and we have no car to bundle him into). I tried once and really suffered for it. When I ask, he says it (the school day) 'takes too long', and he misses me. He also hates assembly and says it hurts his ears (he does cover his ears at loud noises, and has had congestion/hearing loss in the past so this is feasible, but school don't seem convinced). He is youngest in the year too, and has a significant speech disorder although that is gradually improving.

Anyway, both schools are very supportive and understanding and we've always been very open about or struggles. I have arranged a meeting with the infants SENCO tomorrow and am awaiting a call from the welfare officer at the juniors, both because they want to see how else they can help. I'm in a bad phase healthwise - not been to work for a few weeks - and I'm scared of their attendance dropping - I doubt the EWO would be so sympathetic as the schools themselves!

So back to today - I just wasn't up to the battle of getting them there. They both visibly relaxed when I agreed, and were very happy to do "school at home". We've had a great day - a bit of maths, reading, spelling etc, and DD even spent well over an hour enthusiastically making a poster to show her class, after reading more about a topic they'd briefly touched on at school. She said "I've set myself some homework!" and was so happy doing it! The only thing they've grumbled about is lack of telly (which we don't have during the school week anyway).

I'm just confused really and I have no idea what to do. Most of the time they are fine but when they have a bad day it's not just bad but impossible! But I was wary of making this too fun (hence not putting DVDs on - which I would, if we were actually HEing) in case the school refusal (if I can even call it that, when it's not constant) gets worse because they want to stay home more. And I'm worried that the fact I have idly dreamed of HE for years will cloud my judgement if it's not actually the best thing to do in this instance, IYSWIM. If they were refusing every day then it would be a much easier choice! DH (who due to his past is much angrier about this other girl upsetting DD) is very gung-ho and "we will make it work" but although I am yearning to just take them out, my head is more powerful than my heart.

I'm reasonably confident they could learn a lot at home (not that I'm saying it'd all be easy like today!), but there's the practical worries - money?! DH's job is low income at the moment, and without my extra pittance from part time work we would struggle (although things might get easier as our rent will decrease if we get housed - currently on register... which incidentally would mean we'd have to change schools anyway, because there's virtually no council housing in this relatively affluent part of town). Because of money and physical constraints I'm worried their world would just become TOO small, if that makes sense? Even continuing things like Brownies would be a strain on our wallets. And selfishly I worry what effect it would have on me - I need, need, NEED downtime both mentally (I have AS) and physically, and would lose confidence without my job I think. There's no family who could help really and with both of us being very shy, we don't have a support network per se and would really struggle to make one. Today I've got by because we are literally 'playing school', so they've had playtimes when teacher can have a rest - can't see that working long term. Getting enough exercise is a concern too, I worry enough as it is because I currently can't manage to visit the park after school etc and we don't have a garden to run around it (again this will hopefully change with council housing).

Oh gosh this is ridiculously long, apologies. I have just had all these thoughts going round and round for weeks/months now and I'm hoping for some wise words from you lovely people! :)

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fuzzpig · 16/02/2015 07:54

Oh and I love the diary idea, I was also vaguely considering a blog just for fun but not sure I have the tenacity!

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streakybacon · 16/02/2015 13:44

fuzzpig I have CFS too and I have found it MUCH easier to manage with HE. We can be flexible, there is nothing I HAVE to do and if I'm not up to going out we can cancel. There is nothing compulsory as there is with school (school runs, for a start). Life is far, far easier now.

I just buy copy paper from Asda, and I use compatible ink from Print Cartridge Direct. Never had any problem with their ink (and I print LOADS), and it costs a fraction of branded cartridges.

ToffeeWhirl · 16/02/2015 14:13

Fuzz - I keep a blog on WordPress and find it a useful way to keep a record.

streaky - ooh, useful tip there about Print Cartridge Direct. Have been holding off on ordering a new colour cartridge because of the expense, but I've now ordered a much more affordable cartridge from PCD.

morethanpotatoprints · 16/02/2015 14:26

Hello all. Grin

Fuzz We buy all our paper from The Works, Asda, or Tesco there only seems to be pence between them all.
Obviously gaining points is good if you have a card for any of these.

I have bought several workbooks from here too and even the poundshop have some.
Sometimes I have bought the more expensive ones from Smiths or Waterstones but you can download such a lot for the cost of paper and ink.

I'm really happy for you and you sound like you have made the right decision and are ready to go.
I think there can be a huge weight lifted when you finally deregister.

DD is going to school in Sept as passed her final audition last week.
H.ed has prepared her well for their unusual daily timetable. 3 hours of music practice. Grin

isthatmorelego · 16/02/2015 15:03

I'm not stalking you honest just seen your threads on pain thread.

We get value paper in supermarket does the job but I'm tight. My mum gets all her ink on line. check your printer we found buying a new printer worked out cheaper as the ink for new one was much cheaper.

fuzzpig · 16/02/2015 16:29

Oh yay potato prints! I'd not realised she had passed her last audition, that's fantastic :o

I've told a couple of people at work now and I met one possible CM today. Seriously getting real now Shock

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morethanpotatoprints · 16/02/2015 18:53

fuzz

Thanks Thanks

We too bought a new printer, really cheap one because our old one only took the manufacturers ink.
If you get one that accepts substitute brands it can work out lots cheaper.
I'm also mean and use all the old stuff, reversed for working out maths, shopping lists, spellings, notes etc. Unless it is unavoidable I insist on black and white too. Grin

fuzzpig · 16/02/2015 20:47

Our printer is one of those where you're supposed to refill the cartridges or something. We've only replaced them once, so it's been sitting unused for ages! Blush I just print stuff at work now.

Our laptop is on its last legs too, as is the ancient (!) iPad 1, so we might just hang on in there and see how we get on without a printer at home until something pops its clogs and then we might get a deal on the two together or something.

TBH for the moment I don't really envisage using the computer that much to start with, other than a bit of typing :) but then we will see how we progress!

It was so great chatting to my friend at work today (I did get work done too honest!), she's so excited for us!

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fuzzpig · 16/02/2015 20:52

I'm also going to ask if I can use the laminator (although they're pretty cheap) and spiral binder at work in my break if I bring in my own pouches/combs etc.

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isthatmorelego · 16/02/2015 20:55

We tend to use loads of the Hudl load's apps. You can always use the library printer but around here mortgage is needed to pay for that pleasure

fuzzpig · 17/02/2015 08:31

Ha, yes we put our prices up at the library last year, it's now 15p a page for black and white although that's less than in my mum's library where it's around double that. They do usually let staff have it free though if it's not too many pages, but I always offer!

I'm not really sure what stuff I will need to be printing to start with? What kind of things do you all print for HE?

I've been collecting any workbooks lying around so the DCs might use them up and after that I'll look at the schofield and sims etc recommended earlier (I know they do them in smiths so I can flick through before choosing! My mum has also offered to get some for us as they sell that sort of thing much cheaper at her library.

I also wanted to ask about the deschooling process. I've read about it a little and I'm determined to take it slowly, so what do you do when your DC says they want to learn stuff now?! They're so excited that DD said "can we start home school today". How do you know what the balance is? They love doing little bits of maths and spelling etc.

Does it depend on the reasons they need to be HE? Both DCs would tell anyone they love learning, as that's the thing they enjoy most about school! School hasn't put them off learning (unlike with my DSCs who went to a different school, and by DD's age already thought learning was horrible, boring etc :() IYSWIM? So I don't really know what to do in order to make sure they deschool.

Socially, I've already got in touch with some local home edders but I've said we will wait a while before meeting up. My DD especially is very social and makes friends easily but it overwhelms her. They do already have places at a (very reasonably priced!) HE gym club though and I don't think they'll want to wait to start that as they've wanted to do gymnastics for years.

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fuzzpig · 17/02/2015 08:48

Wow, I'm trying not to count my chickens here but I think we might have childcare sorted. Both of the CMs we will probably choose are homeschooling their own DCs so even better than I'd hoped! :o

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Saracen · 17/02/2015 09:26

Excellent news on the childcare front!!

Deschooling: it doesn't mean you must stop your children from doing formal learning. It means that initially you let them learn whatever and whenever and however they want. If they are asking to get stuck in, that's what they need! If they push the workbook away and say they want to ride bikes instead, let them.

I think the need for a break does depend somewhat on whether school has put the child off learning, or he's had some other trauma. A child who has been bullied but still loves learning may still want some downtime to process what has happened to him and the changes in his life.

For your own particular children, the whole deschooling process - getting away from the need to do things exactly like school - might not involve an initial break from formal academics. It might be more gradual in their case. And maybe they will always love to learn in a formal style, but they will come to take ownership of that learning and to be conscious of the fact that they COULD do it differently if they wanted. That gives it a totally different flavour compared with school.

isthatmorelego · 17/02/2015 10:40

To be honest we started pretty much straight as D's. Wanted to do things we just went slow. We home school at moment due to bullying and some health issues for D's brought on by the bullying he always loved school itself but goes to cubs other school friends.
It's half term here in school so it's ours otherwise if we do a bit of reading to us and independent or a wordsearch which kg he loves. We do have a pretty full on week here meeting kids from school we are thinking he may go back to a new school in Sept which he's OK about only as he will be year 5 he's OK with the idea.

Personally if your kids want to do things now it may be a good idea to do a small amount not to blanket their intrest and enthusiasm.

We rang the educatand spoke to the home ed officer who's advise was play it by ear enjoy the experience. I know I was so stressed that we we would not be doing damage by not teaching him things but he has come on so much in a short amount of time his confidence has home back he would not say answer to work as he was so stressed it may be wrong .He also had really bad separation issues its lovely to see him coming back to how he was previously..
There does not seem to be any H's groups around here we live in west Wales when our he officer came. Out she said there are a lot who do home ed in the area but she didn't even know of groups at all you have been lucky to get that .
Congratulations. On the child minder front hopefully. Everything else will continue to run smonthly. It is fairly exciting I found organizing things I am fairly anal about keeping our learning log and folders we also have small expertise books for all subject they are available as a pack of 5 for about a pound in Morrison's and home bargains we got a few extra workbooks from wh Smith and at the moment that's it., we made reading cards the same as school session home with the kids here to keep record of books he's read we put the date and initial it only when he d III es supervised reading.

Apologies for any mistakes I am on my phone.

fuzzpig · 17/02/2015 12:49

Thanks that's all really helpful :)

I'll just try and relax and see what they want to do!

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RigbyandMordecaisMum · 17/02/2015 18:20

Yay to getting CM situation sorted, I think its quite common to find ones who HE as its a job that can fit quite well around it. Also with CMing its quite easy to see that children learn and develop naturally through play and experiencing everyday life, so it would make sense for them to choose HE over school. I do a similar kind of job (playworker) and when I first read about autonomous education (unschooling) I realised it is basically the same as what I do at work!

fuzzpig · 19/02/2015 11:54

I've met the CM who will be doing Wednesdays, she can start straight away. The other (who will hopefully be doing alternate Fridays) has been ill so not able to meet her until next week, but my parents are kindly covering next Friday.

So yeah... THEY ARE NOT GOING BACK TO SCHOOL :o :o :o

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Saracen · 19/02/2015 14:42

CakeGrin

fuzzpig · 19/02/2015 16:53

:o Can't stop smiling TBH!

Rigby, playwork sounds fun! DSD is very interested in that as a job.

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fuzzpig · 21/02/2015 07:05

Damn, just realised I should have typed up the withdrawal letters already - I can print them at work. Good thing I'm up early! I'm going to use the template from EO.

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fuzzpig · 21/02/2015 08:42

I've typed up the official letters. I'll put the infant school one in a card though I think as all told they have given us a lot of support over the years and I want to thank them. But I thought it'd be best to keep the actual letter to the legal stuff.

The template I used:

I am writing to inform you that I/we have decided to withdraw our son/daughter from school in order to take personal responsibility for her education. Please delete her name from the register in accordance with Education (Pupil Registration) Regulation 8 (1) (d) 2006, as she is now receiving education otherwise than at school.

It doesn't mention about them informing the LEA though, would they automatically do that themselves? As I remember reading somewhere that the school has to do that, but I don't want to get in trouble if they don't!

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ommmward · 21/02/2015 09:06

THe school has a legal obligation to inform the LA, but you have no legal obligation to make sure they've done so - they'll be in big trouble if they don't, that's all!

fuzzpig · 21/02/2015 15:53

Excellent, thank you :o

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fuzzpig · 22/02/2015 23:50

Feeling so wobbly right now.

Absolutely fine about DS being HEd. He's really happy about it and so am I. Got rather tearful nonetheless, while writing a little note in a card this evening. Just saying thanks for the support and fun over the years etc. Can't sleep now! I feel sad :(

DD was really upset at bedtime. Said she is worried about missing school etc. I've made it very clear it's absolutely her choice, if she wants to stay in school, or even just go this week or something, that's absolutely fine and we won't be upset. She is in such a dilemma about it. She says she wants to be HEd and I am sure that's true. we chatted about things she likes/dislikes about school and how HE might be, and she cheered up and said she wants to stay home.

I don't know though, maybe I've messed this up by going so fast :(

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ToffeeWhirl · 23/02/2015 00:14

You haven't messed anything up, don't worry, fuzz. Maybe your DD needs the chance to say goodbye to her school friends and the assurance that she can still see the ones she likes. I arranged for my DS2 to go back into school a couple of weeks after he'd left so that he could say goodbye to his classmates. We made enough cakes to share with all his classmates. When we arrived, the teacher hadn't arranged anything, but the children were lovely to him and scribbled little notes for him to take home and hugged him. It meant there was a positive ending. Do you think this might be worth suggesting to your DD?

It feels like such a leap into the dark, doesn't it? But it's precious time you're gaining with your DC and gives you the opportunity to help them in whatever ways they need. And the relief of not having to drag unwilling and/or anxious children to school is enormous.

Make sure you do something really nice for yourselves tomorrow, whether that's snuggling on the sofa reading together/watching a favourite DVD/making cakes, or whatever. And, of course, if they still want to do some 'school at home', as they suggested, that's fine too. Just go with the flow.

Best of luck. Let us know how it goes.