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Once again thinking of HE... please talk to me! (Long sorry!)

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fuzzpig · 28/01/2015 17:38

Today I completely failed to get my DCs to school. Both have the odd day when they just refuse. DS (5, yr1) in particular - he gets very clingy and upset. DD (7, yr3) is having a bullying issue and that's what got her upset today, although she would've gone in if DS had, I think.

I've lurked/posted here under various names since I joined MN around 2010, and both DH and I are very pro-HE. We've read a bit about it and made plans about how we'd approach it, I even had plans for projects etc! We decided to give nursery/school a go though, and DD flourished immediately (she's very social... unlike us!) so we put HE plans on hold with the agreement that we would absolutely HE if we felt it best. This turned out to be a blessing as DH got an injury and lost his job, I had to go to work but then I got very ill - I'm now disabled with a variable, unpredictable condition. There's no way we would've managed if they weren't at school.

Things went pretty well until this September when DD moved to juniors (separate school, not primary) - it's huge (150 pupils per year) and she was overwhelmed. She has friends (barring this 'frenemy') but just found it too much really, she became even more anxious - she's always been sensitive - and wasn't sleeping. She has a referral for this as it does affect many aspects of her life. Anyway sometimes she would have to be peeled off me at the classroom door, which had honestly never happened before. BUT academically it has been surprisingly good for her - she's blossomed under the clearer structure and adores homework and spelling tests, finally enjoying and making progress in maths etc.

DS, who loved reception, is sometimes completely refusing to even get dressed now. Due to my health I simply cannot force him or 'drag' him to school (and we have no car to bundle him into). I tried once and really suffered for it. When I ask, he says it (the school day) 'takes too long', and he misses me. He also hates assembly and says it hurts his ears (he does cover his ears at loud noises, and has had congestion/hearing loss in the past so this is feasible, but school don't seem convinced). He is youngest in the year too, and has a significant speech disorder although that is gradually improving.

Anyway, both schools are very supportive and understanding and we've always been very open about or struggles. I have arranged a meeting with the infants SENCO tomorrow and am awaiting a call from the welfare officer at the juniors, both because they want to see how else they can help. I'm in a bad phase healthwise - not been to work for a few weeks - and I'm scared of their attendance dropping - I doubt the EWO would be so sympathetic as the schools themselves!

So back to today - I just wasn't up to the battle of getting them there. They both visibly relaxed when I agreed, and were very happy to do "school at home". We've had a great day - a bit of maths, reading, spelling etc, and DD even spent well over an hour enthusiastically making a poster to show her class, after reading more about a topic they'd briefly touched on at school. She said "I've set myself some homework!" and was so happy doing it! The only thing they've grumbled about is lack of telly (which we don't have during the school week anyway).

I'm just confused really and I have no idea what to do. Most of the time they are fine but when they have a bad day it's not just bad but impossible! But I was wary of making this too fun (hence not putting DVDs on - which I would, if we were actually HEing) in case the school refusal (if I can even call it that, when it's not constant) gets worse because they want to stay home more. And I'm worried that the fact I have idly dreamed of HE for years will cloud my judgement if it's not actually the best thing to do in this instance, IYSWIM. If they were refusing every day then it would be a much easier choice! DH (who due to his past is much angrier about this other girl upsetting DD) is very gung-ho and "we will make it work" but although I am yearning to just take them out, my head is more powerful than my heart.

I'm reasonably confident they could learn a lot at home (not that I'm saying it'd all be easy like today!), but there's the practical worries - money?! DH's job is low income at the moment, and without my extra pittance from part time work we would struggle (although things might get easier as our rent will decrease if we get housed - currently on register... which incidentally would mean we'd have to change schools anyway, because there's virtually no council housing in this relatively affluent part of town). Because of money and physical constraints I'm worried their world would just become TOO small, if that makes sense? Even continuing things like Brownies would be a strain on our wallets. And selfishly I worry what effect it would have on me - I need, need, NEED downtime both mentally (I have AS) and physically, and would lose confidence without my job I think. There's no family who could help really and with both of us being very shy, we don't have a support network per se and would really struggle to make one. Today I've got by because we are literally 'playing school', so they've had playtimes when teacher can have a rest - can't see that working long term. Getting enough exercise is a concern too, I worry enough as it is because I currently can't manage to visit the park after school etc and we don't have a garden to run around it (again this will hopefully change with council housing).

Oh gosh this is ridiculously long, apologies. I have just had all these thoughts going round and round for weeks/months now and I'm hoping for some wise words from you lovely people! :)

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AmantesSuntAmentes · 05/02/2015 11:54

Obviously, I'm very pro ehe Grin so I find it hard to give a balanced view. So, I'll just keep adding positives/ tips and if you find it unhelpful, feel free to ignore!

Social and exercise. Socially, we attend at least one group per week (full day) and sometimes two or three. One is a day of (relaxed) tutoring, one is forest school/ bushcraft and a third is creative. So, the outdoors groups are very active (exercise) and outside of that, we also do nature walks, dog walks, visits to the park, rock pooling at the beach, swimming, rock climbing, playing in the garden and circus skills.

We've retained one bf friendship from school and she comes to stay for the weekend at least once a month, which gives her and DC some good quality time together Smile

Financially, I suppose is very specific to your circs, so I really can't help but ehe costs me no more than £22 per week, for two. Ehe groups tend to be low cost or free, so that would cover even our most activity/ group rich weeks.

RigbyandMordecaisMum · 05/02/2015 12:11

I did a similar list thing, though I also did a positives/negatives of staying in school too, just to keep it balanced. The difference was while the negatives of HE were things I could do something about (not all easy, like you say) or find ways around. the negatives of being in school could only be resolved by SOMEONE ELSE doing something (techers/school etc) and after the amount of time we tried for (4 years) it seemed that they wouldn't/couldn't at least not within a timescale I was happy with.

So in the end it came down to using my time/energy fighting the school/LA to resolve the negatives there. Or spend that time/energy on HE including resolving the negatives that came with it.

fuzzpig · 05/02/2015 12:19

That's a reassuringly low cost, wow! I think it'd be doable and it'd force us to be even more frugal and financially aware which actually is no bad thing.

That's a fascinating point rigby - yes, I can control how we fix the disadvantages of HE but I feel utterly at the mercy of the schools when it comes to the negatives there.

I'm going to do a school list too now and will show both to DH when he's home (quite soon).

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AmantesSuntAmentes · 05/02/2015 12:31

That's a fascinating point rigby - yes, I can control how we fix the disadvantages of HE but I feel utterly at the mercy of the schools when it comes to the negatives there. Hear, hear!

fuzzpig · 05/02/2015 12:44

I think DD feels the same too TBH. She can see that even the teacher is powerless when it comes to the bullying (because DD isn't telling straight away and the bully just denies it later), she has no control over the situation at all :(

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fuzzpig · 05/02/2015 12:58

Come to think of it both schools are making it our problem - infants are saying it's attachment and we just need to persuade him more, and juniors are just saying DD has to tell or they can't do anything.

The fact they're both doing this makes me wonder if actually I'm wrong and all this is my fault somehow?!

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Baddz · 05/02/2015 13:23

Oh, it's always the parents fuzz!
Didn't you know that!
:)

RigbyandMordecaisMum · 05/02/2015 13:52

I'm no expert on attachment issues, but it was a phrase that was banded about a fair bit when DD was 'school refusing.' IMO it seemed to imply that the school thought it was a parenting issue (and at times I would believe it too) but after reading up on it a bit, I found it is actually a far more serious problem. If your DS really did have an attachment problem its highly likely you would have noticed other signs of it by now.
does your DS happily leave you to go to other clubs/stay at GPs/ other adults he knows well etc? I think you mention he went to a nursery, did he refuse to go there often also? If the answer is no, then I'd be certain its probably not an attachment issue.

fuzzpig · 05/02/2015 15:53

He's always been fine before, yes. Happy at nursery. I can't see that there's a problem with our bond.

I've spoken to the HT of junior school and they will talk with the HOY to both girls. Which will of course be DD's worst nightmare (it only made things worse when the teacher did it). But they reckon it'll remove the problem of "if you tell on me I'll do xyz".

DH and I went through the lists and we both agree we want to HE unless things improve very soon.

But I really think I'll have to give up my job. I have spoken to my mum and she was surprisingly positive about HE in general and has faith we can do it - but they wouldn't be able to commit to weekly childcare which is absolutely fair enough. She did say they will enjoy seeing us during the week sometimes and agrees she wants DCs to benefit from their knowledge and passion about different subjects (both are very geeky, like we are, but about totally different things!), and she even suggested that they can take us to different places (dad drives :o).

But with that all being confirmed, I really don't see how I can work :( when we used a CM it was £10ph for the pair of them. I need 6hrs childcare for my Wednesday shift, possibly 5 if they lived very near the town centre. £60 cost when I would earn less than £40 (4hr shift). I also work every other Friday so that's £180 a fortnight assuming DH could still do Monday evenings and DSD could do alternate Saturdays, neither of which are always guaranteed. I only take home £450ish a month! Although I would be a little better off, I'm not sure it's worth the stress for under £100 a month.

The silly thing is I have often wondered about quitting anyway - I love my job but sometimes I am utterly exhausted. I just had 3 weeks off and have hit absence triggers again.

Thing is if I chose to quit presumably I would be forced into JSA as my DCs are school age? So wouldn't get HB and might lose CTC or something too.

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Ahchoo · 05/02/2015 17:39

fuzz, that sounds like a lot for a childminder! Where I live average is £3.50 per hour! Might be worth ringing round some other child minders just to check. Once you get into the he community you may find someone you can share childcare with. What about your dh? Would his work be flexible do you think and allow him to take a day off on a Wed and work longer hours in other days/go in on the weekend? You'd be surprised at how flexible and understanding some places can be (though not all of course).

As for cheap activities we have avoided the big 'brands' as they're ridiculously expensive and we have tried as mucb as possible to avoid things at the local lesiure centre as they're also quite costly. We've found the cheapest activities are at the little community halls. My older dc (age 8 and 11) go to karate for an hour for £1!

Other cheap or free activities: museums, art galleries, farms. Our local nature reserve does free wildlife events for children - pond dipping, bitd watching etc. Our local country park has a little centre that runs really reasonable arts and crafts classes.

fuzzpig · 05/02/2015 17:42

We are in Sussex, quite near Gatwick. TBF I hadn't actually checked other CMs so no idea of other prices (it was a sudden urgent need and we were very lucky to find someone at all) so I could still look around.

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fuzzpig · 05/02/2015 17:43

On the frugality front I am actually getting really excited about finding lots of cheap fun stuff to do! :o Loving all these ideas.

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fuzzpig · 05/02/2015 17:45

Actually I just realised I still have a free membership on childcare.com or whatever it's called so could look on there and change my profile/hours needed etc.

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Baddz · 05/02/2015 18:34

Lots of what we did was free/low cost tbh.
Parks, museums and galleries are free.
Libraries (not so much now of course :()
We spent some lovely days at local NT places - works out quite cheap over a year.
Not much of a HE scene where we live, I would imagine you would have far more activities / groups to go to.
Swimming can be done at a local hotel gym for £30 per month for a family of 4. We used it a lot!
I used cgp workbooks but there are lots of resources online you can print off.

AmantesSuntAmentes · 05/02/2015 19:20

There seem to be quite a few groups in Sussex. I don't know if any are local to you but they might be worth looking into?
www.educationotherwise.net/index.php?option=com_contact&view=category&catid=60&Itemid=97

stilllearnin · 05/02/2015 22:22

Hi fuzz. I came to say hi really...and sorry it's been so hard, but it looks like you're powering through the decisions - which suggests in your heart you know what to do.

My dc are in school atm. Great suggestions from pp about illness and pacing yourself. If you can't work in your current job, could you do something requiring less child care to help your self esteem and me- time. Get some good advice about the benefits situation - I used to specialise in this but I'm well out of date now and wouldn't dare advise someone. See CAB or similar for this.

Your dc sound great by the way. Perfect for home ed. Smile

fuzzpig · 06/02/2015 16:00

Thanks for the ideas! I am actually added to my parents' NT membership at the moment.

Hi Still, nice to see you :) I definitely want to find something else to earn a bit of money, I'd love something I could do from home, computer based I guess. My dad used to earn money just for typing stuff but I guess that's less in demand now. I have skills but no relevant experience for those kinds of jobs unfortunately. I'll ask on the money thread for ideas.

I agree my DCs would really suit home ed. I think it would really suit our family TBH, if I can sort out the money issue.

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fuzzpig · 06/02/2015 16:09

Also does anyone know if we'd still be able to access SALT? DS has had ST intermittently at the local hospital over the last few years, he has a speech disorder. I heard though that from yr2 onwards, ST is done at the school. So would that mean DS wouldn't get it? Or would they be able to do it at hospital still.

I was wondering as when I was walking between the two schools just now, DS was chatting to a group that were walking to after school club, I don't think the children realised I was behind them because they were laughing about the way he spoke Angry thankfully DS seemed oblivious but while the school have assured me it doesn't affect him socially, I'm not so sure now :(

I will be bringing this up next week - I've been invited to another meeting with the SENCo.

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ommmward · 06/02/2015 16:49

I've PMed you...

fuzzpig · 07/02/2015 07:44

Spoken to my dad now. As predicted he is not altogether keen but I think I managed to allay his fears a bit. He is very "school is everything" (not that his grammar school/Cambridge education got him anywhere really) but he is supportive and he can see why we feel we need to do this. I focused on the academic advantages like the fact we can go much further than the NC with subjects they like (eg they are both really into art and classical music) and that seemed to sway him a little :o

I know it doesn't really matter if they don't agree but we have so little family I do want them on our side!

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Baddz · 07/02/2015 09:13

Fuzz...
When I de registered ds1 my pils didn't speak to me for 2 weeks.
Fast forward to a few months later and we were on holiday and ds1 was happily playing in the beach with his brother and had mentioned perhaps going back to school at some point in the future. mil turned to me and said
"Home educating ds1 was the best thing we ever did"
:)
After their initial disapproval they were very supportive actually.
I also encountered real interest from other people...cashiers in shops, older people, and ds1s asthma paed amazed me when I told him and he said"he will learn more in 6 months with you than from years at school" - and he is a father of 4!
You might be pleasantly surprised! :)

fuzzpig · 07/02/2015 12:10

That's very reassuring! I've also gathered from various threads that it helps not to be critical of schools as it (understandably) makes people defensive and feel criticised.

I'm not mentioning it to other people (except two friends both very pro HE) until it's a done deal though. Bit worried about my BFF though as she's a primary teacher!

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isthatmorelego · 07/02/2015 21:42

I follow the frugal thread and seen your posts . we actually started he ds2 who is 9 in Oct over bullying issues the school did nothing to help . both dh and I are disabled and D's has issues with IBS he is like a new child back to his old self he goes to cubs and we mix with friends outside of school . There seems to be no ho!e groups around here but ate still looking into it . The decision is the hardest part once you decide and deregister you will feel better we are planning on D's going back to school possibly in sept and talk. About it with him as all the time as he was always the type of child who loved school .
We recently had our first visit from the end dept and it was great we follow a fairly structured day and keep track of things we do in a day . he has also learnt a lot of things that he just seemed not to be able to grasp in school it was as though a weight had lifted . I wish you well in your hard choices you face .

isthatmorelego · 07/02/2015 21:44

Sorry turned in a lecture .
You may find a lot of people have an opinion but stand firm in your choice its your decision nobody else's .

Saracen · 07/02/2015 22:34

Your teacher friend might be more enthusiastic than you expect. After all, what teacher wouldn't dream of

  • having the time to explain things to each individual child, so no one is ever bored or left behind?

  • adapting the curriculum to suit each child, and go on changing it whenever something isn't right, without getting agreement from anyone else?

  • going on as many trips as the kids want, at the drop of a hat, without doing the paperwork + roping in parent volunteers to get the adult:child ratio right + finding the money to pay for a coach?

  • having enough eyes in her head to pay attention to each and every child to see whether he is feeling sad or ill or being teased, and enough time to take action immediately?

  • simply letting a kid out to play when she is climbing the walls Friday afternoon and doesn't want to do handwriting practice?

  • allowing a child to carry on learning about wind turbines for hours or days when he has a passion for it, instead of having to make him move on to history because "science time" is over and besides, the other kids have had enough of wind turbines?