Post grad law conversions - reality of the usefulness of this?

[BobtheFrog]

One of my DDs is looking to a post grad degree, law conversion in particular - looking for some mumsnet wisdom about this route. Good idea? Concerns / questions we should consider? Does it lead to meaningful work? What kind of work is down this route?

For clarity, I'm not interpreting anything. I'm repeating what you said, if you care to check back, to flag your inconsistency.

I've said it before: your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

With none law degree you won’t pick up a paralegal job without a conversion as you are competing with hundreds with decent law degrees. Paralegal jobs are very in demand due to oversaturated market and SQE.

No they are in fact very acute and always have been, since primary school.

Anyhow, very weak Ceramiq, as well as rude (but rude seems to be your leitmotif).

Wrong thread!

@MaggiethecatGiven hardly any dc get a 2:2 I find that odd. Complete outliers and one swallow does not a summer make.

@Milmington It is this poster who thinks all uk MFL degrees are absolutely useless too and the people who do them are wasting their time. It’s not worth the effort.

Oh it's remarkably little effort OhDear111 :) I'm reading and posting very infrequently. But the poster has a go at you because your clearly very smart DD didn't go to her local school, then gets sneery about my DC because they did....she's all over the place. But as I say, she's got a product to sell, which is essentially about trying to boost the career chances of not particularly able but monied DC, so anyone who achieves success without that input clearly incenses her.

Jesus. Literally none of this bickering is helping the OP or anyone else in the sane situation who might read it. Perhaps you three need your own thread?

Whether or not you find it odd, it’s true. Real world experience, not hypothetical.

The point is, though very difficult it’s not impossible.

Just about to say the same @Serafee
It’s become ridiculous now.

Well perhaps if there was honesty and not people thinking they know everything when they don’t have dc in highly desirable law jobs, it would not produce this dialogue? I don’t see why posters cannot defend themselves against untrue allegations either. Better still, posters should not complain about Dc who have got the desirable careers through their own efforts and have not been given advantages via paid for introductions and have done everything themselves. I take great exception to be being told my DDs degree is useless for example and even more that she the other young people she knows must have not achieved well solely through their own endeavours. It’s simply not true and offensive.

@OhDear111 Your children left higher education years ago. You get inordinately upset about current information that contradicts your outdated experience and beliefs. Why are you even on MN education threads?

@Milmington Ditto, your children are no longer in higher education. What is this business of coming onto threads with the wisdom of yesteryear?

Incorrect Ceramiq, two of my children are still in Higher Ed.

I second all this. It's all very well other posters saying bickering is not helpful to the OP - strongly agree with that too - but when a particular dominant poster tries to shout down other valid points made by less noisy posters (especially when there's a vested interest at play, and insults their DC to boot), then really, fair enough to correct the baseless insults have been flying around.

With a Magic Circle background myself, and with Magic Circle DC, also a DC at the London Bar, I'm arguably more relevant than the shouty poster.

As things are, it really isn't worth pursuing a law career with a 2.2.

OhDear111 I also have a linguist DD. Astonishingly, like your DD, she's managed to secure one of those ridiculously competitive grad scheme jobs that Ceramiq claims can only be won with an 'in'. She simply applied. Not law but same bracket in terms of competition. London based, but just back from an in person work trip to Paris in the Spring sunshine, which she definitely enjoyed. Glamorous or not, I'd much rather be seeking out the best baguette in Paris after work than not moving from a computer screen all day. Always good to mix things up, 'glamorous' or not.

@Milmington We know you have crowned yourself Queen of the parenting competition and that the slightest challenge to your self-proclaimed status will only encourage you to repeat your supporting script ad nauseam.

I'm not in the habit of revealing our DCs personal career trajectories as a flex but since we are talking about the viability of embarking on legal careers (and upthread several practicing lawyers were very clear about the immediate risks to legal careers/billing from AI) I'll just throw in here that one of our DC is earning $$$$$ in the US in AI that replaces legal tasks/roles. It's going to be a rocky career ride ahead for all young people and it's far better to be honest about current risks than to hark back to a very recent but entirely different past.

Omg why are you all bickering about your children…. I’m sure they’re all completely fine…. I’m a trainee at a city firm - PGDL and SQE fully funded. No family legal connections, normal background, 1st in English from RG. I got the TC because I had good academics (nothing amazing but good), I’m personable in interviews, and I was LUCKY…. It’s that simple

Well done to you! @HildegardVonBingham

And you’re modest on top of it; sure you worked very hard to secure your TC.

Good luck!🍀

I've done absolutely nothing of the sort and have no illusions about my parenting which was a muddling through affair for various reasons.

And probably worth noting that I've only mentioned my DC following your various gratuitous insults. I haven't mentioned your DC in any post; I have no interest in them.

I'm not harking back; I'm current.

Hildegard the insults are flying one way only. That's hardly bickering. Two of us are responding to seriously odd insults, mostly directed at our DC.

No, you weren't lucky. It's a lot less random than that.

Just stop it!

It's like you're children and you have to have the last word.

This was an interesting thread and it's been completely derailed by the three of you going at one another. Please just stop since people might actually want to read the thread to get useful information.

There's remarkably little information on this thread beyond a near unanimous consensus that a 2.2 these days is not a sufficiently good degree to realistically try for a career in law.

I think if OhDear111 and I wish to object to an odd vendetta by another poster determined to insult DC she knows nothing about and has certainly no information about, we are quite entitled to do so. Maybe read the posts and direct your exclamation marks to the poster in question, who seems determined to do our DC down (useless degree, private school, local school, parochial, London based, not educated to a reasonable level - that's just a selection). Definitely not in the spirit of MN - DC are off limits, supposedly.

But why are you so personally offended by a very mean spirited poster who as you say, quite correctly, knows nothing about your Dc?

I’d disagree there’s little info, I and some other posters shared various helpful links including A level grades required by a range of firms, SQE pass rates for 2.2 etc. Plus some up to date experiences from people who currently recruit or with dc who are current paralegals/trainees. Hopefully some of thread has been helpful to Op and others considering a conversion.