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Oxbridge 2023 support; it's offer month. Good luck all.

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Riverpebble · 08/01/2023 07:49

New thread for the start of the Oxbridge offers.

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Lightsabre · 15/01/2023 22:46

@GinandDubonnet, many thanks - 600 to interview, that must keep the dept pretty busy. Seems a bit strange that they don't test to whittle down the numbers.

LyndonClaudia · 16/01/2023 09:37

dnac · 13/01/2023 09:51

Taking an objective view, the declining Oxbridge offers for many of the highest achievers is on the flip side a very positive thing for the universities which these candidates do go on to study at. It will ensure that those accepting institutions are receiving the highest calibre candidates - making them great places to study at - which in turn will perpetuate the world class standards at those institutions, allow them to thrive and attract more research funding from the commercial world and widen the donor pools from alumni, thus making real strides to level the playing field and reducing the stranglehold Oxbridge seemingly has on our collective psyche.

This might also result in schools actively dissuading pupils from going down the Oxbridge route as the process probably is becoming only for the strongest hearted and most resilient and it would be a more positive thing for pupils to look in earnest at the other universities and put their energy into securing places at those alternative destinations. I think schools have a duty to drive home that message. that was certainly what we heard from DS’ son school in relation to medicine as the track record of admissions to Oxbridge over the last three years had fallen to 0.

You assume the highest achievers all apply to Oxbridge. Not true. In particular not true for medicine. Many top achievers are put off by O and C's academic course structures with no clinical content until Year 4. Their preferred destinations are often other universities, who consequently have no need to rely on candidates being rejected from Oxbridge to attract top calibre talent.

HoneyMobster · 16/01/2023 11:51

@Lightsabre - DS is a 3rd year chemist at Oxford. When he applied he took the TSA as they were wanted to see if there was any correlation with degree outcomes. They found that it didn't so dropped it in subsequent years.

DD is a medic at Oxford and I'd agree with @LyndonClaudia - the strongest candidates don't necessarily apply to Oxbridge for Medicine. Both universities offer a very different approach to other UK institutions. It appealed to DD but doesn't appeal to everyone (limited patient contact in early years and very academic).

Rejects · 16/01/2023 14:51

OK, so huge apologies to be on here again but after a weekend coming to terms with things and being upbeat, DS now has the score for the test he did. He scored seven points higher than the average score for acceptances, It was very close to a perfect score. Something must’ve gone wrong at interview but he thought the interviews went well. What is really upsetting me is that all his plans have been now thrown into disarray – initially he was fine with give it a go and if you don’t get in there are lots of other amazing places out there, but the combination of seeing kids who are – as I said earlier – admit they copy their essays from the Internet and now we know have significantly lower scores than him in the test sailing in, plus having the school being incredibly supportive and loving tag and encouraging him to try again has turned it all into disarray. I don’t want him to try again and have this happen twice, but it’s cast a huge cloud of confusion over the process at a time when he should be getting on with A levels. Once more I wish we had never embarked on this horrible process. I genuinely don’t know what he should do now

Pinkyandtwerky · 16/01/2023 14:56

@Rejects which test was it? I know with TSA a very high score gives you almost automatic offer (needs to be very high but that’s what you are suggesting)
assume he also had good GCSEs. Nothing odd in his teacher statement?

I think I’d be asking school to approach the college for more detail unless it’s clear from the feedback you can apply for routinely that I assume they have done?

I wonder if he just didn’t give them the sense at interview that he had the specific ‘teach ability’ that they are after?

Scottishsummer · 16/01/2023 15:01

@Rejects - my daughter just received an email, too, containing her results of the written test alongside the averages. It says, at the bottom, that you can write to the college for all the rest of the scored feedback. I'm hoping that your family might have the same message on the email and that you might be able to pursue this further. I mean, that is a staggering score and it feels as if something more needs to be known here...(apologies if this all too obvious)

Pinkyandtwerky · 16/01/2023 15:06

And by my comment about the interview just that it can be that unlucky iyswim. It’s such a lottery whether in that 20 mins or so they manage to demonstrate the particular essence that particular interviewer is looking for. He may well be their first choice next year at a different college with a different team but can totally get how hard it is to imagine going through the process again. I really feel for you both it’s so cruel.

Sevnov · 16/01/2023 15:38

We’re still waiting for next weds, time seems to be dragging. I had hoped my DS would hear from Durham this week but nothing so far. He received an email saying they would be making offers in Jan, has anyone else heard from Durham yet?

Rejects · 16/01/2023 15:51

I’d rather not say what subject as it is a bit too outing, there was something on the email about you could ask the college for more feedback but it’s not clear to me that you will necessarily be given anything constructive . The biggest upset is now dithering about whether to reapply – my instinct says don’t bother but the school is heavily pressing for it, (obviously it’s in their interest to get another successful candidate). Just very sad that the process I thought would be done and in either direction by now is going to continue to haunt us.

Rejects · 16/01/2023 15:58

by the way, I know I’m moaning a lot, it’s because I am really tryiing to keep calm in front of ds and not shake him up further, plus it’s a conversation you can’t really help with many friends who have other problems- but I am so upset for him. This is a safe space for me and I thank everyone again for their kindness

PacificState · 16/01/2023 16:15

That does sound like bloody awful luck @rejects or some factor that for whatever reason isn't visible to you. I can understand you being reluctant to engage further with a process that feels so unfair and opaque.

Maybe gently suggest to the school that they back off for now? Nothing would be lost by him firming a good offer and looking forward to going elsewhere. If he smashes his A Levels and feels like reappraising things then, he still can.

gallop · 16/01/2023 16:16

Rejects · 16/01/2023 14:51

OK, so huge apologies to be on here again but after a weekend coming to terms with things and being upbeat, DS now has the score for the test he did. He scored seven points higher than the average score for acceptances, It was very close to a perfect score. Something must’ve gone wrong at interview but he thought the interviews went well. What is really upsetting me is that all his plans have been now thrown into disarray – initially he was fine with give it a go and if you don’t get in there are lots of other amazing places out there, but the combination of seeing kids who are – as I said earlier – admit they copy their essays from the Internet and now we know have significantly lower scores than him in the test sailing in, plus having the school being incredibly supportive and loving tag and encouraging him to try again has turned it all into disarray. I don’t want him to try again and have this happen twice, but it’s cast a huge cloud of confusion over the process at a time when he should be getting on with A levels. Once more I wish we had never embarked on this horrible process. I genuinely don’t know what he should do now

My DS had a near-perfect score too and was pooled but rejected last year. He was also predicted 4 As and had all 9s in his 10 GCSEs. The scores are just a part of the selection process. At the interview he had to do a lot of maths workings on an iPad. His handwriting is poor and the feedback said that the tutors believed his maths was not 'competitive'. He went on to score his As, including further maths and had always done well in Maths and Physics olympiads. The central issue is that almost all the applicants are excellent. Its chance and chemistry between applicant and interviewers more than anything else. They are all bright, deserving kids. Oxbridge just doesn't have enough places for all.

gallop · 16/01/2023 16:17

gallop · 16/01/2023 16:16

My DS had a near-perfect score too and was pooled but rejected last year. He was also predicted 4 As and had all 9s in his 10 GCSEs. The scores are just a part of the selection process. At the interview he had to do a lot of maths workings on an iPad. His handwriting is poor and the feedback said that the tutors believed his maths was not 'competitive'. He went on to score his As, including further maths and had always done well in Maths and Physics olympiads. The central issue is that almost all the applicants are excellent. Its chance and chemistry between applicant and interviewers more than anything else. They are all bright, deserving kids. Oxbridge just doesn't have enough places for all.

I meant A stars. Not As.

prisms · 16/01/2023 17:40

Hi Rejects. I can totally understand your confusion. I have no more insight into the Oxford process than you, but I do know that the tests are only one part of the process. For instance, in Chemistry, they dropped the admissions test because they tracked those with high scores through the degree and realised it was an indicator of nothing.

Thete is a website called 'WhatDoTheyKnow.' If you go on and type in your DS' course, you might well find people have made FOI requests over the years, eg. 'Please list all the tests scores and / or A-level predictions and / or interview scores for accepted and rejected candidates.' Even if they don't have his course, there will be requests for a similar course. You might well see that many students are being rejected with higher test scores than many who are accepted. Which makes you wonder why they bother with the test at all.

But anyway... he will almost certainly be able to request his interview scores. So he should do that first and foremost.

So.., this is C some years ago, but my DS was rejected. Also all A star predictions but, for his subject, they had done away with the admissions test (for the same reasons as described above - they realised it was a predictor if nothing). He was however, pooled (but at C, only about 1 in 6 are selected out of the pool).

He asked for feedback. They said that basically, what had let him down was his second interview score which averaged at a 6.9 (yes it was calculated to the decimal point)! They said that they did however, have sufficient confidence in his application to put it in the pool, and did not doubt he had the potential to do well at C and every year they inevitably have to turn down many very able applicants etc etc ... so they were sorry to hear he had not been taken out of the pool.

Anyway, as the months went on, he decided it was worth another shot (also he had applied in the hideous Covid year when Oxbridge had made significantly less offers overall across all subjects). He achieved quite a few things in Year 13 that strengthened his application, so this was why he felt it was worth a second shot. He was successful second time around and he knew his interviews has gone very well (in one they even said, "When you come here would you be interested in....")

If your DS' interview scores come back as hovering around a 7, this means 'possibly worth a place' (I have seen the form they use). In this case, and if there is anything he can do between now and Sept to strengthen his application, it may well be worth him having another shot if this means a lot to him (assuming he does achieve those four A stars which I'm sure he will).

Basically (particularly if reapplying from a selective school) - he has to think of it as "don't give them a reason to turn me down." So... they can't turn him down for his contextualised GCSE scores, from what you say. If he gets top A- levels, that's that box ticked. Then he needs something 'extra' to make his application stand out (hard to suggest anything without knowing his course). Then he needs to look again carefully at college choice. Maybe even look at applying to C if the course is also on offer there (I only say this as they don't reshuffle at the point of admission, so you can be more sure who will interview you and what will happen).

Bear in mind that if you apply post A-level, it's an unconditional offer. So no uncertainty for the rest of the year and they can even get ahead with reading, or work or travel and just grow up generally.

But for now, I would just get his interview scores. See how he feels then. I'm sorry he is in this situation with the other kids at the school and I do feel for him (and you). But really, it will work out - one way or the other. And if he doesn't decide to reapply, there is always the option of a Masters at Oxford. Give it time and breathe. He will work it out.

usedtobeboss3 · 16/01/2023 17:46

@Sevnov DS got an offer from Durham at the beiginning of January, for MFL. I'm guessing it depends very much on subject / faculty. As far as we know he was the first from his chool to get a Durham offer this year; I don't know if anyone else has heard since...

Sevnov · 16/01/2023 18:07

Thank you @usedtobeboss3 that’s good to know that they’ve started in some subjects!

Juja · 16/01/2023 18:33

@Rejects - big virtual flowers and hugs for you and your DS. Glad you feel this forum is safe space to share your totally understandable worries and pain. It sounds tough right now.

As others have said the more specific feedback from the college will hopefully help.

I did a mock interview this year for an applicant who was I thought brilliant, great academic results and they thought their interviews went well. But they were rejected last week.

As @gallop says there are too many well qualified candidates for the places available but that doesn't make it seem any less unfair and random right now. Your DS doesn't need to decide now whether to apply again or not. They can firm and insure other unis then decide after A Level results. The world will look different then...

TheHomeEdit · 16/01/2023 18:58

@Rejects As pp have said I think the only thing you can do now is encourage your ds to do as well as he can in his A levels. He doesn’t need to make any firm decisions until then. Ask for feed back - but I think it will be generic and not necessarily very helpful and ask his school to back off for now. I’ve know people reply successfully, swapping colleges or course slightly and even a couple swapping Oxford for Cambridge and vice versa. But others failed the second time so it is always gamble.

prisms · 16/01/2023 19:23

Also Rejects, did you say that at your DS' school, 5 applied to Oxford for the same subject and 4 were successful? That is a very high offer ratio for any one school for just one subject! They usually don't like to take too many from a single school, especially if it's a well-known independent school.

Rejects · 16/01/2023 19:38

Thank you everyone again for your kindness – my ds’s school is actually not a very well-known or “posh” school they just had a freakishly good year - far better than ever before, I wouldn’t have thought that acceptances were coordinated at a university-wide level so the name of the school should be irrelevant. Anyway, la felt thanks for people’s kind words on here and some lovely DMs that I have received I’m feeling better about the whole thing again – it’s actually great to know DS does according to test scores at any rate have what it takes to do this subject at this level. He was just one of the unlucky ones of whom there will be many. He will go elsewhere and he will have a great time because he is a positive and fun person.

OnePlusOneEquals · 20/01/2023 20:48

Hope you and DS are doing ok @Rejects and are looking at his other offers (or soon to be offers) with interest and positivity. It may be difficult for him this week ahead with the Cambridge offers coming through, but hopefully his renewed focus elsewhere will see his breeze through it with the positivity you’ve said he has.

Rejects · 20/01/2023 21:25

Thank you @oneplusoneequals Ds is currently downstairs with his mates laughing his head off, eating pizza and planning post A-level interrailing so all is good. You’re right, he may be a bit wounded if his bff gets a Cambridge offer this week but he will clearly be fine again very quickly and I’m touched at how he’s made pleased noises for the others who’ve been successful. It will continue to hurt at a low level and I’d underestimated how bad that initial hurt would be and might have been more wary of the whole process if I’d known but it will ultimately all work out. Good luck everyone waiting on next week

OnePlusOneEquals · 20/01/2023 21:38

I think it sounds like your DS is going to be just fine @Rejects, inter railing sounds like a fantastic adventure before he takes his next step in the autumn. He’ll do well wherever he ends up I’m sure.

Teriyakieverything · 22/01/2023 17:26

Just checking in and wondering how everyone else is coping with the wait until 25th. I’m thinking about it, but trying not to think about it or talk about it with Dd.

usedtobeboss3 · 22/01/2023 17:44

Yes, we're trying not to talk about it too. DS has said he wants to wait until he gets home from school on Weds (which will be 6.30 or so) before he tells us, whatever the outcome is! It's going to feel like a very long day...

(And actually, I'm not sure he's going manage it😁but time will tell.)

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