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Guest post: Video games and misogyny - should we be worried?

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 29/08/2014 16:16

As a game reviewer, I play a lot of video games: everything from First Person Shooters to gentle puzzles; from role-playing adventures to saving the princess. Games are the interactive stories of the 21st century, shaping our culture much as film did in the 20th Century. I've met countless kind, considerate, smart and genuine people through gaming who have gone out of their way to help me. I want to be proud to call myself a member of this community.

Alas: there is a snag. For every decent person in the gaming industry, there are at least a dozen others who seem committed to making us all look like misogynistic sociopaths.

In the last couple of weeks, the media's gaze has been focused on a new ‘mod’ – an alteration to a game’s code in order to make it operate in a different way from the original version - that's been added to the ever-controversial Grand Theft Auto 5. Usually, mods are pretty harmless - they can be anything from bug fixes to enabling flying limousines - but GTA's 'rape mod', a user-created addition to the online version of the game, allows players to ‘rape’ other characters. These avatars belong to other players, and once the ‘rapist’ begins, the ‘raped’ player is powerless to move or continue play until the act is completed. It is above and beyond even the graphic violence Rockstar include in the game, and it is humiliating – particularly as videos of the act are often posted on YouTube. Many players have complained to Rockstar's Reddit page, saying that they feel personally violated by the acts. These reports also indicate that the majority of players being targeted are - would you believe it? - female.

For the uninitiated, in GTA 5, the playable characters are exclusively male. After having sex with a prostitute, a player is able to either leave, or kill the prostitute and get their money back. Apart from these prostitutes, there are few female characters in the game's storyline.

The rape mod is only the most recent example of misogyny in gaming; it permeates most corners of the industry. Games developer Zoe Quinn received rave reviews for her game Depression Quest, which tackles the difficult issues surrounding depression and illustrates them in a way that can help both suffers and carers. Rather than celebrating her success, she has been fending off a torrent of ‘slut shaming’, after rumours that she had slept with reviewers flooded gaming forums. Her personal details have been made available on the internet, alleged nude photos of her were stolen from private servers, and her family have been the recipients of rude and abusive phone calls.

In the trailer for the , meanwhile, Lara Croft is taken captive by scavengers on a desert island – and appears to narrowly escape being sexual assaulted. In the game, this scene is interactive, with the players having to use both brute force and intelligence to escape from their captors. If the player does not succeed in escaping, then Lara is killed, and the player must start again.

Would this scene have attracted as much attention if it had been in a novel or TV series? Probably not. But maybe that's the problem. We're not talking about films, categorised as 18 because the viewer will sit in the cinema and see a bit of sex and violence. Instead, players of these games are interacting with the other characters; they are making choices in the real world that they can see reflected in their virtual one. Those GTA users are choosing to kill the prostitute, rather than passively watching it happen on a screen. It may only be the click of a button, but it’s a wilful act.

A recent Canadian study into the behaviour of 100 13- and 14-year-olds found that over-exposure to violent games weakened empathy for others. Of course, concerns over too much screen-time are old hat – and there’s even evidence to suggest that playing video games for an hour a day can be good for children - but surely, when that screen time is spent on interactive games that routinely feature sex and violence, it’s a whole lot more sinister.

There is some hope on the horizon. There are some amazing people out there trying to make a difference. Pixelles, a Canadian online community, runs free workshops and showcases to encourage women to develop more games. Her Interactive, Purple Moon and many other games development companies are openly courting female developers. We’ve also got Feminist Frequency, a popular YouTube channel dedicated to looking at gender equality across all platforms of the gaming industry.

And there are a growing number of people in gaming who don’t want to put up with this anymore. The people who made that rape mod aren't true gamers – gamers are people that want to build a community of friends where they can play and explore peacefully and equally. So I will reclaim the word gamer, because we’re not all misogynistic internet gremlins – some of us girls just wanna have fun.

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Zazzles007 · 06/09/2014 10:55

Harassers are now spamming Anita's twitter account with horrible photos of child rape. Because that will make her see the errors of her ways, right.

That is truly awful Briar. These subhumans really should be spending their time and money on a psychologists couch than on the internet. In the long run, they would be far happier and far less dysfunctional.

JCDenton · 06/09/2014 12:30

Ugh.

CaptChaos · 07/09/2014 11:06

Lewis's Law writ large here.

virenall · 07/09/2014 15:28

What I'd like to know is if mods that allow your player to dry hump thin air are causing so much offence to another player, then what is that other player doing playing GTA5 in the first place since the gameplay involves bloody murder, theft, arson and other criminal and violent related content from start to finish?

This is what it sounds like:

"I was playing GTA5 and had just enjoyed shooting a load of people dead and blowing vehicles up with players inside them when suddenly this other avatar started humping air! Now I'm traumatised and want this game banned!"

virenall · 07/09/2014 15:35

I actually watched one of that Antia persons videos. She was telling us how all the classic xmas songs are "sexist" and "misogynist". Example Mariah Carey All I want for xmas is "misogynist" all because the singer wants a man for xmas. Gasp! A woman wanting a man??? How sexist and patriarchal!! How can feminism ever turn the world into a matriarchy if women are still falling for men?!?!

Just remind me again, how many thousands did this Anita person receive again in donations? How much would those videos have actually cost to make?

CaptChaos · 07/09/2014 16:56

Did the point make a weird whooshing noise as it flew over your head at all?

Dervel · 07/09/2014 17:45

The broad brush points Anita Sarkeesian makes are salient and valid. You can zero in on a specific example you may not agree with. I for one noted when she focused on criticism of the Mass Effect series she exclusively focused on the marketing surrounding the game and not actually on the game itself. However I have yet to see a cogent rebuttal of the core of her perspective.

As to wether she makes thousands for making these videos, this IS her career I don't see why she shouldn't seek funding to pursue it. I'm very sure she'd be happy to have raised a lot less, and had to deal with less vitriol and hate.

Also why can't gamers take this as a positive? It's a sign of the signifance of gaming as a cultural phenomenon that it's attracting academics to pursue analyses from the perspectives to their chosen fields.

virenall · 07/09/2014 20:37

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virenall · 07/09/2014 20:43

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She received $158,917 in donations.

virenall · 07/09/2014 20:44

I guess none of you will even have heard of Brian Banks?

JCDenton · 07/09/2014 21:09

'People would rather spend money on entertainment-related things than serious issues' is really not a slam-dunk against Sarkeesian's points. I'm not even a fan of hers, but that's a spectacularly poor argument.

virenall · 07/09/2014 21:16

www.avoiceformen.com/feminism/feminist-corruption/anita-sarkeesian-steals-intellectual-property-sells-it-then-ignores-demands-of-victim/

Well look at this. If the allegations of theft are true, Anita can't even come up with her own material.

WinifredTheLostDenver · 07/09/2014 22:27

You linked AVFM! Now you only need to mention the Diet Coke ad and I get House!

virenall · 07/09/2014 22:31

Nothing to say about the fact Anita has received $158k just to make some videos which contain material taken without consent from others?

virenall · 07/09/2014 22:32

It's a real mystery why so many don't seem to like her.

JCDenton · 07/09/2014 22:37

Well, it's undoubtedly shitty to do that, however, that's only tangentially related to this thread. Whether Sarkeesian is a thief or a saint doesn't change the validity or lack thereof of the points raised, it's not like she is the only one discussing these things.

claireredfield · 08/09/2014 09:14

Yet it appears most people making these points are not gamers or have only played a handful of the games Anita references. Unless you have actually played these games in full, then there is no way you can make a fair assessment. People like Anita are clearly biased and have an agenda. She is not am honest person.

JCDenton · 08/09/2014 10:44

I will make a point of watching the last two videos, I've been a little too busy lately. Which games does she reference in them? Hopefully I've played at least a couple.

claireredfield · 08/09/2014 13:22

Taken from the feminist frequency website:

Assassin’s Creed 2 (2009)
Assassin’s Creed: Brotherhood (2010)
Bioshock (2007)
Bioshock 2 (2010)
Dead Island (2011)
Dishonored (2012)
Dragon Age: Origins (2009)
Fable 2 (2008)
Far Cry 3 (2012)
God of War 3 (2008)
Grand Theft Auto IV (2008)
Grand Theft Auto V (2013)
Hitman: Absolution (2012)
Hitman: Blood Money (2006)
Kane & Lynch (2007)
L.A. Noire (2011)
Mafia II: Joe’s Adventures (2010)
Metro: Last Light (2013)
No More Heroes (2008)
Papo & Yo (2012)
Prototype (2009)
Red Dead Redemption (2010)
Saints Row (2006)
Super Mario Galaxy 2 (2010)
The Darkness II (2012)
The Witcher (2007)
The Witcher 2 (2011)
Thief (2014)
Watch Dogs (2014)

and the first video contains an even longer list:

www.feministfrequency.com/2014/06/women-as-background-decoration-tropes-vs-women/

Dervel · 08/09/2014 13:55

Ok I see Anita's points and I've played (to completion):

Assassin’s Creed 2 (2009)
Assassin’s Creed: Brotherhood (2010)
Bioshock (2007)
Dragon Age: Origins (2009)
Fable 2 (2008)
Far Cry 3 (2012)
Grand Theft Auto IV (2008)
Grand Theft Auto V (2013)
Red Dead Redemption (2010)

And I've made a start on a lot more of those on the list. I'm an avid gamer and I think the discussion we're having is a valid one.

WinifredTheLostDenver · 08/09/2014 15:12

Any topic under discussion will have people with a range of direct experience of the topic. 'Twas ever thus.

JCDenton · 08/09/2014 16:33

I have played a large number of those to completion, which surprises me as I tend to play few games thoroughly rather than rushing through lots.

TheSameBoat · 08/09/2014 17:54

virenall if you'd read the thread before you'd jumped on your high horse you'd see that she only asked for $16,000 but received $160,000 because she has a huge fanbase.

What does it matter anyway? Whether she's a con artist or the Dalai bloody Lama her points are still valid and plenty of people agree. Dissect her points not her personality maybe?

BriarRainbowshimmer · 08/09/2014 18:33

Same It's best to ignore that poster, he signed up just to post things like that.

People like Anita are clearly biased and have an agenda.
Like you. Why don't you share your PSN ID first so we can see if you are a real gamer who has actually played these games and not just some random Anita hater?

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