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Guest post: Video games and misogyny - should we be worried?

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 29/08/2014 16:16

As a game reviewer, I play a lot of video games: everything from First Person Shooters to gentle puzzles; from role-playing adventures to saving the princess. Games are the interactive stories of the 21st century, shaping our culture much as film did in the 20th Century. I've met countless kind, considerate, smart and genuine people through gaming who have gone out of their way to help me. I want to be proud to call myself a member of this community.

Alas: there is a snag. For every decent person in the gaming industry, there are at least a dozen others who seem committed to making us all look like misogynistic sociopaths.

In the last couple of weeks, the media's gaze has been focused on a new ‘mod’ – an alteration to a game’s code in order to make it operate in a different way from the original version - that's been added to the ever-controversial Grand Theft Auto 5. Usually, mods are pretty harmless - they can be anything from bug fixes to enabling flying limousines - but GTA's 'rape mod', a user-created addition to the online version of the game, allows players to ‘rape’ other characters. These avatars belong to other players, and once the ‘rapist’ begins, the ‘raped’ player is powerless to move or continue play until the act is completed. It is above and beyond even the graphic violence Rockstar include in the game, and it is humiliating – particularly as videos of the act are often posted on YouTube. Many players have complained to Rockstar's Reddit page, saying that they feel personally violated by the acts. These reports also indicate that the majority of players being targeted are - would you believe it? - female.

For the uninitiated, in GTA 5, the playable characters are exclusively male. After having sex with a prostitute, a player is able to either leave, or kill the prostitute and get their money back. Apart from these prostitutes, there are few female characters in the game's storyline.

The rape mod is only the most recent example of misogyny in gaming; it permeates most corners of the industry. Games developer Zoe Quinn received rave reviews for her game Depression Quest, which tackles the difficult issues surrounding depression and illustrates them in a way that can help both suffers and carers. Rather than celebrating her success, she has been fending off a torrent of ‘slut shaming’, after rumours that she had slept with reviewers flooded gaming forums. Her personal details have been made available on the internet, alleged nude photos of her were stolen from private servers, and her family have been the recipients of rude and abusive phone calls.

In the trailer for the , meanwhile, Lara Croft is taken captive by scavengers on a desert island – and appears to narrowly escape being sexual assaulted. In the game, this scene is interactive, with the players having to use both brute force and intelligence to escape from their captors. If the player does not succeed in escaping, then Lara is killed, and the player must start again.

Would this scene have attracted as much attention if it had been in a novel or TV series? Probably not. But maybe that's the problem. We're not talking about films, categorised as 18 because the viewer will sit in the cinema and see a bit of sex and violence. Instead, players of these games are interacting with the other characters; they are making choices in the real world that they can see reflected in their virtual one. Those GTA users are choosing to kill the prostitute, rather than passively watching it happen on a screen. It may only be the click of a button, but it’s a wilful act.

A recent Canadian study into the behaviour of 100 13- and 14-year-olds found that over-exposure to violent games weakened empathy for others. Of course, concerns over too much screen-time are old hat – and there’s even evidence to suggest that playing video games for an hour a day can be good for children - but surely, when that screen time is spent on interactive games that routinely feature sex and violence, it’s a whole lot more sinister.

There is some hope on the horizon. There are some amazing people out there trying to make a difference. Pixelles, a Canadian online community, runs free workshops and showcases to encourage women to develop more games. Her Interactive, Purple Moon and many other games development companies are openly courting female developers. We’ve also got Feminist Frequency, a popular YouTube channel dedicated to looking at gender equality across all platforms of the gaming industry.

And there are a growing number of people in gaming who don’t want to put up with this anymore. The people who made that rape mod aren't true gamers – gamers are people that want to build a community of friends where they can play and explore peacefully and equally. So I will reclaim the word gamer, because we’re not all misogynistic internet gremlins – some of us girls just wanna have fun.

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JCDenton · 02/09/2014 13:45

Do you think there is a particular problem with gaming, as in the blog, or are we speaking of entertainment more generally?

PetulaGordino · 02/09/2014 13:50

i think there are specific problems with gaming if "achievements" (whatever they may be) within the game are linked to misogynistic behaviour

there would (rightly) be outcry if lynching a black man were as much part of a video game as raping a prostituted woman is already

but i don't think that misogyny and violence against women is exclusively a problem in gaming no, it obviously permeates the entire entertainment industry / other industries / world

but we're talking about gaming here aren't we?

VFXdad · 02/09/2014 13:52

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PetulaGordino · 02/09/2014 13:54

can you identify differences between how the violence against men and women is meted out in GTA?

what are they wearing? what is the situation? who holds the power in the relationship between male and female characters?

ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 02/09/2014 13:55

Are male prostitutes in GTA treated the same as female prostitutes, vfx?

(Agree with Petula)

VFXdad · 02/09/2014 14:11

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Zazzles007 · 02/09/2014 14:15

Erm, there don't seem to be any male prostitutes in GTA. As with many games, life is portrayed through the male lens of life.

PetulaGordino · 02/09/2014 14:17

"For the uninitiated, in GTA 5, the playable characters are exclusively male. After having sex with a prostitute, a player is able to either leave, or kill the prostitute and get their money back. Apart from these prostitutes, there are few female characters in the game's storyline."

from the OP - does this help you to differentiate between how male and female characters are treated?

PedroYoniLikesCrisps · 02/09/2014 14:18

there would (rightly) be outcry if lynching a black man were as much part of a video game as raping a prostituted woman is already

I'm guessing that you haven't played Grand Theft Auto then.....

But to be clear, this whole rape thing is not a part of the actual game, this is something added by third parties. Are we judging Rockstar on the way other people have manipulated their product?

For the record, I've played through the whole game. It contains violence, theft, drug abuse, sex, fraud, murder, etc, etc. But most people (that's the vast majority) can distinguish between the enjoyment of a game as entertainment and acting out those actions in real life. If you find it offensive, don't play it. If you can't distinguish the difference between real and virtual then you have more problems on your plate than the content of a single game.

These unlicensed 'mods' are a very niche market, they are not something that most people who own the game will actually get hold of. I certainly wouldn't because I don't like the idea of it. So it doesn't affect me in any way.

VFXdad · 02/09/2014 14:35

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scallopsrgreat · 02/09/2014 14:50

No it doesn't need to be only women who were on the receiving end for the point to be valid.

Who initiates the majority of violence: Men
Women's role: mostly as victims of violence

Why are people defending violence?

BriarRainbowshimmer · 02/09/2014 14:54

Also like Tropes vs Women points out: Female victims are often sexualized, unlike the men.

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claireredfield · 02/09/2014 15:21

Well said Pedro, it's very obvious that persons haven't even played the game. GTA5 is a satire, a black comedy based on 3 very dysfunctional characters each with their own downfalls. Yes you play out their atrocities, but these are never glorified and their actions often have dire consequences. Imagine an interactive version of a film like Pulp Fiction, Reservoir Dogs or Sexy Beast. Seeing a few clips of the nasty bits do not reveal the full context of the game.

BriarRainbowshimmer · 02/09/2014 15:42

There has been like one billion articles/youtube videos about how GTA isn't satire but at this point I'm just sitting here and rolling my eyes a lot, because if you have spent a lot of time in male-dominated gaming communities as a woman & actually played all this shit the sexism is blatant and tiresome. Even if you personally haven't encountered any sexism, which I find extremely hard to believe - seeing what happens to others should be enough.

I'm so glad so many people are actually talking these issues about it now!

JCDenton · 02/09/2014 15:54

Going back to 13:50, petula, I think that the paragraph quoted from the OP a few posts down is actually quite dishonest in that it says "Apart from these prostitutes, there are few female characters in the game's storyline." This is because in all of the games since 2001's GTA3, you wouldn't interact with a prostitute unless you had foreknowledge and were looking for it. They are no more a part of the story than any other bystander. That doesn't make it okay, of course but that paragraph frames it as if it's a mandatory mission. I am not as familiar with the latest installment as earlier ones but female characters in GTA such as Liz Torres, Asuka, Catalina and so forth are capable of being just as violent and nasty as the men (and often toward the men, poor Miguel, betrayed by Catalina and left to Asuka's mercy).

There's an excellent article I read today on why sexist attitudes are often apparent in gaming communities, I'll link when I'm not on my phone.

JCDenton · 02/09/2014 16:02

I do welcome discussion of these things though, one of the main frustrations of recent years is that fans of the medium cry out for gaming to be taken seriously and then Sarkeesian comes along and well... we all saw the results.

ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 02/09/2014 16:29

"Are we judging Rockstar on the way other people have manipulated their product? "

I think it's ok to judge powerful, public IP owners for commenting or not commenting on what others do with their IP, yes.

Would you judge Rockstar for remaining neutral on a lynching mod?

scallopsrgreat · 02/09/2014 17:14

Of course I'd prefer there was no violence Confused. There doesn't need to be violence.

VFXdad · 02/09/2014 17:22

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scallopsrgreat · 02/09/2014 18:30

Oh we are going down the route of 'wah, you meanies just want censorship, wah' are we?

I'd prefer that having violence in games didn't make sense.

PedroYoniLikesCrisps · 02/09/2014 18:46

So how about violence in movies? Or in paintings, or in music? Game design is an art form and the medium is used to explore many things. Some for their beauty, some for their intrigue, some as social experiments, etc. It's inevitable that boundaries will be pushed, especially with open world games, that's human nature. But if you don't like mindless violence, you don't go to see a Tarentino film.

There's a reason that some of this art form is censored, age rated or banned just as with movies. We are supposed to make our own decisions as to what we want to be exposed to. I don't think anyone here is actually being forced to play the game and most people who DO play it are probably pretty well informed of what to expect.

VFXdad · 02/09/2014 19:02

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ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 02/09/2014 19:10

Pedro, there's a lot of "camera lingers over the naked, usually female, victim" TV that the world could do without too.

PedroYoniLikesCrisps · 02/09/2014 19:29

Pedro, there's a lot of "camera lingers over the naked, usually female, victim" TV that the world could do without too.

That's quite the generalisation. What are you referring to and what exactly is the point here?

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