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Guest post: Video games and misogyny - should we be worried?

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 29/08/2014 16:16

As a game reviewer, I play a lot of video games: everything from First Person Shooters to gentle puzzles; from role-playing adventures to saving the princess. Games are the interactive stories of the 21st century, shaping our culture much as film did in the 20th Century. I've met countless kind, considerate, smart and genuine people through gaming who have gone out of their way to help me. I want to be proud to call myself a member of this community.

Alas: there is a snag. For every decent person in the gaming industry, there are at least a dozen others who seem committed to making us all look like misogynistic sociopaths.

In the last couple of weeks, the media's gaze has been focused on a new ‘mod’ – an alteration to a game’s code in order to make it operate in a different way from the original version - that's been added to the ever-controversial Grand Theft Auto 5. Usually, mods are pretty harmless - they can be anything from bug fixes to enabling flying limousines - but GTA's 'rape mod', a user-created addition to the online version of the game, allows players to ‘rape’ other characters. These avatars belong to other players, and once the ‘rapist’ begins, the ‘raped’ player is powerless to move or continue play until the act is completed. It is above and beyond even the graphic violence Rockstar include in the game, and it is humiliating – particularly as videos of the act are often posted on YouTube. Many players have complained to Rockstar's Reddit page, saying that they feel personally violated by the acts. These reports also indicate that the majority of players being targeted are - would you believe it? - female.

For the uninitiated, in GTA 5, the playable characters are exclusively male. After having sex with a prostitute, a player is able to either leave, or kill the prostitute and get their money back. Apart from these prostitutes, there are few female characters in the game's storyline.

The rape mod is only the most recent example of misogyny in gaming; it permeates most corners of the industry. Games developer Zoe Quinn received rave reviews for her game Depression Quest, which tackles the difficult issues surrounding depression and illustrates them in a way that can help both suffers and carers. Rather than celebrating her success, she has been fending off a torrent of ‘slut shaming’, after rumours that she had slept with reviewers flooded gaming forums. Her personal details have been made available on the internet, alleged nude photos of her were stolen from private servers, and her family have been the recipients of rude and abusive phone calls.

In the trailer for the , meanwhile, Lara Croft is taken captive by scavengers on a desert island – and appears to narrowly escape being sexual assaulted. In the game, this scene is interactive, with the players having to use both brute force and intelligence to escape from their captors. If the player does not succeed in escaping, then Lara is killed, and the player must start again.

Would this scene have attracted as much attention if it had been in a novel or TV series? Probably not. But maybe that's the problem. We're not talking about films, categorised as 18 because the viewer will sit in the cinema and see a bit of sex and violence. Instead, players of these games are interacting with the other characters; they are making choices in the real world that they can see reflected in their virtual one. Those GTA users are choosing to kill the prostitute, rather than passively watching it happen on a screen. It may only be the click of a button, but it’s a wilful act.

A recent Canadian study into the behaviour of 100 13- and 14-year-olds found that over-exposure to violent games weakened empathy for others. Of course, concerns over too much screen-time are old hat – and there’s even evidence to suggest that playing video games for an hour a day can be good for children - but surely, when that screen time is spent on interactive games that routinely feature sex and violence, it’s a whole lot more sinister.

There is some hope on the horizon. There are some amazing people out there trying to make a difference. Pixelles, a Canadian online community, runs free workshops and showcases to encourage women to develop more games. Her Interactive, Purple Moon and many other games development companies are openly courting female developers. We’ve also got Feminist Frequency, a popular YouTube channel dedicated to looking at gender equality across all platforms of the gaming industry.

And there are a growing number of people in gaming who don’t want to put up with this anymore. The people who made that rape mod aren't true gamers – gamers are people that want to build a community of friends where they can play and explore peacefully and equally. So I will reclaim the word gamer, because we’re not all misogynistic internet gremlins – some of us girls just wanna have fun.

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ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 02/09/2014 20:05

You asked if violence in movies should be banned. I was referencing a sexualised glorification of violence that I think should be banned.

I don't see how that's a generalisation - in no way are ALL programmes or movies like this.

PedroYoniLikesCrisps · 02/09/2014 22:48

It was a fairly vague statement without any qualification. Could you give some examples of glorified sexualisations of violence? I don't really think there's a massive over saturation.

scallopsrgreat · 02/09/2014 23:59

Oh I am primarily concerned with violence against women & children VFXDad. Because that, as seen by this thread, is excused, minimised and in some cases not even viewed as such.

Pedro, off the top of my head all the CSI series spring to mind. And it's depressing how many times script writers and produces turn to raping a woman as a plot line.

Zazzles007 · 03/09/2014 00:51

I agree that there is a massive over-saturation of glorified sexual violence against women in TV (and other forms of media). Criminal Minds is another one as well. Don't get me wrong, I actually like both Criminal Minds and watch CSI on the odd occasion too. But as Anita Sarkeesian points out, it is possible to watch and enjoy these things, while simultaneously being more aware and critical of the more nefarious elements of the topic at hand.

Btw, I disagree that GTAV doesn't have rape as part of the original story line. There is a scene in the story where one of the main characters come across a woman being accosted by 2 men, one of whom is not wearing any pants. From PlayStation Universe:

"I came around to the car's opposite side. A clothed woman was kneeling on the ground. One man had his gun trained on her. Another man, bending over behind her, was naked from the waist down and preparing to violate her.

Instinct kicked in. I punched the bent-over man, his genitalia exposed. His friend, surprised or unwilling to shoot me, was my next victim. A few seconds later, I had curb-stomped and thoroughly ended the lives of both. At this, the woman rose, visibly shaken, and asked if I might drive her home. Franklin [the playable character] responded in kind, and we were off."

Yes Rockstar does respond that this scene depicts cannibalism, not rape, but why did the antagonist have his pants off? It is also telling that Rockstar did not come up with the cannibalism response until much of the gaming community itself started discussing the rape scene in a negative manner.

JCDenton · 03/09/2014 01:23

But as Anita Sarkeesian points out, it is possible to watch and enjoy these things, while simultaneously being more aware and critical of the more nefarious elements of the topic at hand.

Is the implication here that it is impossible or at least more difficult to commit an act in a game you disagree with? I couldn't disagree more in that case. This issue is a key part of the story of the excellent Spec Ops: The Line.

As for GTA5 rape, I found this quite from whatculture.com
"Rockstar has come forth and stated that the indecent exposure just comes with the nature of who these mountain men are (Which is believable as you can see these people nude elsewhere) and that there is no intention of rape, just cannibalism.
I don’t know if that’s just Rockstar trying to cover their own asses or not but regardless of how you spin it, this is the most shocking thing in the entire game and probably the limit of a metaphorical line you don’t want to cross."

And there is such a frequently naked cult who are known to abduct and eat people, one character even can assist them in this. If the player does not intervene, no rape occurs. However, it's obvious that the developers have manufactured a controversial situation from the way it looks, both in and out of context. It's no accident. It's frustrating because there's no need for it in the game. You make great games, Rockstar, get rid of the streetwalkers and the manufactured controversy.

Zazzles007 · 03/09/2014 01:41

Is the implication here that it is impossible or at least more difficult to commit an act in a game you disagree with? I couldn't disagree more in that case. This issue is a key part of the story of the excellent Spec Ops: The Line.

No, that is not the implication at all.

claireredfield · 03/09/2014 01:52

There has been like one billion articles/youtube videos about how GTA isn't satire

Sorry but GTA is the definition of satire. I am not sure what these one billion videos/ articles you speak of are? Hmm
Most professional reviews and critics describe the game as a parody and a satire because that's what it really is. Here a couple for starters:

www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/16/gta-5-review-grand-theft-auto-v

www.newstatesman.com/2013/09/prepare-be-amazed

ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 03/09/2014 06:54

I wonder how many players play it thinking, "wow, great satire."

This quote from your link is interesting, Claire:

Women are, once again, relegated to supporting roles as unfaithful wives, hookers and weirdos. The one successful female character in the story is suspected of just wanting to screw her boss. Of course, GTA is essentially an interactive gangster movie, and the genre has a long history of investigating straight male machismo at the expense of all other perspectives, but it would have been wonderful to see Rockstar challenging that convention. It's fine to parody the idiotic misogyny of violent men, but how about doing it by providing their opposite? It seems Rockstar North's all-male writing team is too in thrall to Tarantino and Brett Easton Ellis to really consider this.

PedroYoniLikesCrisps · 03/09/2014 08:11

There's a pretty big difference between a plot line where you rape a prostitute, kill her and take your money back and one where you rescue a lady from being attacked and offer her a ride home.

JCDenton · 03/09/2014 08:39

No, that is not the implication at all

Fair enough, it's a line of thought I've heard before, that's all Grin

ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 03/09/2014 08:44

Pedro, there is. But in neither of those plot lines is the woman a full character.

I'm interested, are there male prostitutes and (adult) male rescuees who get lifts home?

JCDenton · 03/09/2014 09:20

No to the first question and to the second the player characters have many such random encounters throughout the game. You intervene in a young man being mugged for example, however, taking them home isn't necessary to complete the event, it's enough to deal with their attackers.

ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 03/09/2014 09:28

Ah, thanks JC.

ABlandAndDeadlyCourtesy · 03/09/2014 09:31

So if a player rapes and kills a prostitute, does he end up "better off" in some way (ie not just stealing back his original payment for sex but having more money or points or something)?

JCDenton · 03/09/2014 10:10

All random NPCs drop a random amount of money, it doesn't matter if you spend $20 or $2000, same goes for shop owners and such. Visiting a prostitute restores the player's health, which is never explicitly stated in game. Other ways to restore health include picking up med kits, goimg to sleep, calling an ambulance and eating street food. Killing a prostitute, like other NPCs offers nothing but a meagre amount of money and a good chance of being killed or arrested by the police. All with the help GTA wiki, I don't have an encyclopedia knowledge of all this.

VFXdad · 03/09/2014 11:21

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BriarRainbowshimmer · 03/09/2014 11:32

That's a funny thing to say after many here has said that they're gamers. There are many wonderful games out there for all ages. And much, much misogyny. We need to criticize the misognyny.

VFXdad · 03/09/2014 11:47

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BlueKarou · 03/09/2014 12:02

Can I just point out that the world of gaming doesn't consist if one game , the fundamental purpose of which is be violent and commit crimes !

That would be a good point if it wasn't for the fact that many video games contain misogynistic scenes.

Have you watched Anita Sarkeesian's latest videos on 'Women as Background Decoration'? They've been linked and mentioned several times in this thread. The delivery might not be to everyone's taste, but her videos show undeniable proof that sexual violence toward women is rife in video games.

It is not just 'one narrow aspect on one game'.

claireredfield · 03/09/2014 14:20

undeniable proof more like undeniable cherry picking, manipulation and taking things out of context.

7Days · 03/09/2014 14:25

how can you cherry pick something that's not there?

BlueKarou · 03/09/2014 14:36

I've watched Anita's videos, and have played a number of the games she made reference to. I don't see how she has taken things out of context.

Any chance you could elaborate?

claireredfield · 03/09/2014 14:44

Who's saying its not there? Assuming that you are referring to the violent scenes in the games? It's like a making a video compilation of Game of Thrones just featuring the sex and nudity and claiming it just to be porn, yet totally neglecting the plot and the whole context of the scenes. It's disingenuous and assumes people are morons.

JCDenton · 03/09/2014 14:55

Are there any Sarkeesian videos especially pertinent to this thread? I've watched some of her stuff but there is a lot of it.

BlueKarou · 03/09/2014 15:08

JC The most recent two videos, and are specifically about how women are treated as characters in video games, this includes violence (and, as a part of that, sexual violence) and are the two I would recommend watching.

NB - these videos are NSFW and are not recommended for children.

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