plans for mass vaccination at schools in autumn

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How do people feel about this?

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The vaccine will be fully tested they are already testing it on human volunteers in Australia. I think there is no need to panic yet and just wait to see what the situation is IF they offer the vaccine.

I work with 16-18 years old so without the vaccine I expect a lot of my students will get it and that is very worrying.

If the uptake is low on the vaccine then this will effect how the virus spreads and does give it more time and ammunition to mutate so we must all think long and hard about our decision.

I just feel that we need to stay calm and make educated decisions about this and not cause panic about things we have not got all the facts on yet.

Nope. No way in hell. But then my DS is not registered with the NHS and is homeschooled, so I doubt we will be on their radar.

is this a poll?

not for me thanks

No way.
Once it has been properly tested I might think about it.

Normal flu can be a killer. I had my kids done this year when there was the Brisbane flu outbreak which killed some kids in Australia. At the minute, I would have some reservations in that there were problems with the 1976 vaccine. If I was reassured that the process was different, and it were not the nature of swine flu that caused the problem in the 76 vaccine, then I would have no problem in my kids having it. If it stops them getting it as it is now, then that's good. If it gives them some immunity should it mutate, then all the better. If it gives us all herd immunit and stops the virus, then that's the best outcome.
Of course, that requires people take it.
IMHO we're paranoid these days about vaccines all because of that fool Wakefield and the press. People live in this fool's paradise where they don;t have their kids vac'd because they perceive there's no threat out there. The reason there's no obvious threat out there is because generations of kids have been vac'd. If they hadn;t, then it's be like the third world out there where people were having six or seven kids because they were putting three or four of them in the ground before they were three.
Sorry, rant over.

yappybluedog what's a novel vaccine?

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Gotte. My DS had a massive reaction to the DPT vacinations ending up in hospital. He has life threatening allergies and immune problems probably as a consequence. It is not all about that 'fool' Wakefield. Vacine damage is real albeit rare. I don't know what I will do about this vacine. It will depend on what it's grown on. Egg protein or similar and I will be opting out for DS.

Gotte: that fool Wakefield, MB BS Fellow of the Royal College of Surgeons and former transplant surgeon, became a Fellow of the Royal College of Pathologists in recognition of his research three years after the controversy.

You may disagree with him but you are a fool to call him a fool.

I don't think people are paranoid: but I do think they may have spent some time thinking about it seriously. Perhaps you should do the same.

No way am I letting my children have this. It's absolute madness to be giving this to anyone, it has not been tested for enough years to know if it could be harmful in someway.

They've had it, I am pretty certain of that and they were prety ill, but that combined with general wariness 9as in, they have had most but not all vaccines) adds up to a big no thanks.

If they were considered vulnerable however I would be vvv eager. It's a balance act same as most things.

Gotte each to their own about Wakefield but unless you can explain a better reason why my and a few other peoples kids on ehre regressed days after the MMR vaccination (kids in the high risk group he identified, not general population then perhaps there's still far too much to be learned for those of us who are, without doubt at the very least, vulnerable.

oh dear. I am tempted to HE on the basis of it being Safer That Way...

Why do they not just close the schools instead.

I know, I know...

I don't think we will have the boys vaccinated.
mainly because although I trust that the system for flu vaccination has been tested over and over, it has not been tested with THIS strain of flu.
I may change my mind if further reseach provides reassurance.

I am moving to Mexico. Everyone's had it there haven't they.

Erm, pregnant, with severe astma, and a two year old at nursery. Plenty of 'risk' factors but will we have the vaccine? No chance. I can't believe they actually recommend pregnant women and children should have it first, without it being tested adequately. (Long shot, but thinking thalidomide here... plus vaccine damage for small children)

Kids don't get covered for vaccine damage before 2 IIRC

though some reports said the vaccine for H1N1 would be exempt from compensation payment anyway due to untested nature- you sign it you live with it

my son gets the flu vaccine every year anyway, so this is no different a different strain every time.

i just wonder if swine flu will be the 'seasonal flu' or will there be a seasonal flu vaccine as well?

I don't understand why they are moving to mass vaccinations when they do not do it for regualr flu.
Risk-groups I understand. But I still dont' get what is so different about SF. Surely it is better for out immune systems to ride this one out?

On the one hand we are being told it is a mild illness for most but on the other they are moving towards mass vaccinations. It just does not add up.

As for my family; dh is very high risk - severe chronic asthma with resultant chest damage. He gets the regular flu jab every year adn will have the SF one when offered.
Myself and the dc - not in a high risk group so no experimental vaccines on us ta very muchly.

crap typing, sorry.

I have a couple of issues with the vaccine

• will they use an adjuvant (additive to make it more effective and stretch further), as these have not been approved for use in the States?

• are there any additional issues with vaccine created using the cell based method of growing it (as opposed to the egg based method)?

The problem is, there are several manufacturers, so the one that is being tested in Australia probably isn't the same as the ones we have contracts with (need to look that up). Some manufacturers use traditional methods and some use newer techniques as mentioned above.

so, I will be keeping a watching eye before I decide what to do. Fortunately there's a few weeks at least yet.

Just read article. Funny how the government were ascertaining that we would have a vaccine ready this month when so many of us thought this to be exceptionally unlikely (like flying pigs unlikely)

apparently they are using squalene as an adjuvant. That does worry me if it is true.

raindroprhyme, I read that SF took up about 93%of all flu cases in Argentina recently (their winter), replacing seasonal flu to a huge extent. So maybe they won't do the seasonal flu vaccine as well??

Not sure what we'll do, have to decided then and there - its a balancing act, as someone said. Depends on testing to date by then, and also on virulence of flu by then (no sign of it having mutated in second wave across the Atlantic, apparently) and also on health of the dds and dh (asthmatic, floppy larynx, and asthmatic accordingly). One dd and dh get seasonal flu jabs regularly...its a hard call.

Totally agree with not panicking in advance, too many variables.

all I can say is my eldest who's 4 had a much stronger reaction to SF than would have been expected with seasonal flu (certainly NOT mild symtpoms) now she was v unlucky but the unpredictability of this flu and the sudden aggression it CAN show in some cases in little ones and other vulnerable groups is what's causing the docs to panic, she could hardly breathe and has never had asthma so I personally wouldn't under estimate the SF.

She's fine now by the way because from early on she was well monitored, felt like a right drama queen untill she got so poorly. I'm getting rid of it slowly having been v poorly and got a secondary infection.

That said however don't like the sound of the jab.....it's hard decisions for Mums at the minute!