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Truth about vaccinations quotes

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alwayssaythanku · 20/01/2005 00:22

These are quoted from www.vaccinetruth.org

"Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world, indeed its the only thing that ever does." Margaret Mead

For us to bombard a newborn baby with a whole battery of vaccines as, in effect, their very first immunologic experience I think is reckless beyond measure. I would say it borders on the criminal.
Dr. Moscowitz

Cost for vaccinations: $10.00
Cost of trip to McDonalds after vaxing: $10.00
Cost of hospitalization after reacting to vax: $300,000.00*
Cost of avoiding vaxes and knowing your child never reacts: PRICELESS

  • Actual bill United States

What is the name of the test that can be given to determine if a child can safely receive a vaccine?

It's called a breath test. You hold a mirror in front of the child and if condensation appears, they are still alive and cannot "safely" receive a vaccine.

Steve

Vaccination is a medical procedure that causes permanent and irreversible modification of the immune system

"The only shot my son needs is a shot at the future."

......Lori Mcilwain

Modern medicine" may well be defined as "the experimental study of what
happens when poisonous chemicals are placed into malnourished human
bodies." A. Saul Contributing Editor,
Journal of Orthomolecular Medicine (www.orthomed.org)

You can always put the vaccines in... but you can never take them out.

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happymerryberries · 23/01/2005 10:41

Looking forwars to those quotes

The reason BTW that it was realtivly easy to irradicate smallpox is that there is no animal host, once you have gor rid of it in all people, it has no-where to go.

The name of the last man to get smallpox in the wild (there was a lab worker in Birmingham that got is later by accident) Is Mr Ali Malik Moi, from Somalia. I have a nice picture that I use when I teach this subject.

alwayssaythanku · 23/01/2005 10:42

By the way, to Happymumof2, Yes, it is a fact the vast majority ?survive? the experience of vaccinations, even after repeated injections, but this does not change the fact that mercury is a poison and is harmful to human physiology even in minute amounts, and thus its injection into infants should be noted as a serious crime punishable under the law. Mercury, thimerasol is a poison. You can feed your child bleach in minute quantities, and yes, he will survive, but you would still be poisoning him. So, yes, jabs do poison children. Its just that the medical community seems to think the benefits of being poisoned outweigh some alleged risk of disease.

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happymerryberries · 23/01/2005 10:42

And there is deff a vaccination for Anthrax, my husband has had it!

But don't let the truth get in the way of a good argument eh?

Laylasmum · 23/01/2005 10:44

why harp on about thiomersal now? its is no longer present in any of the childhood imms given in the uk!

happymerryberries · 23/01/2005 10:44

I', not arguing the rights and wrongs of thermosil (which btw have been very well aired on mn by people who understand it better than me....or you for that matter) I'm asking for those quotes.

happymerryberries · 23/01/2005 10:45

But let's muddy the waters a little shall we?

lockets · 23/01/2005 10:48

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Socci · 23/01/2005 10:51

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happymerryberries · 23/01/2005 10:51

I think that it is a difficult issue....but some of the comments here have no back up that I have ever read that is credible. And this sort of 'doctors want to kill you children' rhetoric *doesn't help to advance the anti-jab cause. It just looks bonkers

Heathcliffscathy · 23/01/2005 10:52

hmb: have a look at this

you probably won't like a sources, but to me the most interesting thing about the article is it points to the fact that in the past vaccination has been a subject of serious controversy within the medical community...now no one within that community seems to be able to flag any concerns up without being subject to the type of hate campaign that wakefield was (phone tapping et al) and he didn't even question that people should get vaccinated!

can you see why, when a mother like me starts asking questions, the defensiveness and absolutism of the medical and political establishment only goes to totally confirm my suspicion (sp?) that the vaccination issue is not as simple as those authorities would have me believe?

lockets · 23/01/2005 10:53

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Laylasmum · 23/01/2005 10:55

lockets my dd is nearly 3 so had all the old jabs. i knew about the thiomersal but i believe the benefits outweigh the risk

Heathcliffscathy · 23/01/2005 10:56

and whilst i totally take your point that gps are not out to harm members of the population, will you accept that vaccination is a multi billion dollar industry: what other form of medicine is administered to the vast majority of the population???? so to raise questions about possible conflicts of interests when governments and big (huge) business collide is not imo scaremongering but sensible!

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happymerryberries · 23/01/2005 10:58

But what I was queerying was the pint made that vaccination han't irradicated smallpox. Which it has! none of the papers qutes supported the supposition that vaccination didn't work. They may well say there are risks. the latest paper was from the 1970 that stated that routine vaccination (which is not what was done with smallpox btw) was more risk than not, because the chance of getting smallpox inthe UK was so small. the same was not true in developing countries.

We are talking abut different things. I am saying that smallpox irracdication was amazingly sucessful (and remember it has a one in 10 death rate). People often say there are publications, but when you read them you often see they say differnet things.

And in the spirit of even handidness I once worked for a pharmaceutical company. My job was to make sure the advertising companies didn't 'bend the truth' when it came to using quotes. So trust me, I know just how easy it is to mislead people with quotes!

And the source you used isn't peer reviewed (smile)

Socci · 23/01/2005 10:59

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lockets · 23/01/2005 11:00

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happymerryberries · 23/01/2005 11:01

What about, what about? Not sure what you mean

Heathcliffscathy · 23/01/2005 11:02

errr, hmb i don't think you've read it...it actually argues that the vaccination caused more deaths from smallpox, not fewer!

Heathcliffscathy · 23/01/2005 11:02

"By 1919, England and Wales had become one of the least vaccinated countries, and had only 28 deaths from smallpox, out of a population of 37.8 million people. By contrast, during that same year, out of a population of 10 million all triply vaccinated over the prior 6 years the Philippine Islands registered 47,368 deaths from smallpox. The epidemic came after the culmination of a ruthless 15-year compulsory vaccination campaign by the U.S., in which the native population young and old were forcibly vaccinated (several times), literally against their will. In a speech condemning the smallpox vaccine reprinted in the Congressional Record of 12/21/37, William Howard Hay, M.D. said, "... the Philippines suffered the worst attack of smallpox, the worst epidemic three times over, that had ever occurred in the history of the islands, and it was almost three times as fatal. The death rate ran as high as 60 percent in certain areas, where formerly it had been 10 and 15 percent." In the province of Rizal, for example, smallpox mortalities increased from an average 3 percent (before vaccination) to 67 percent during 1918 and 1919. All told, after 10 years (1911-1920) of a compulsory U.S. program which administered 25 million vaccinations to the Philippine population of 10 million, there had been 170,000 cases, and more than 75,000 deaths from smallpox."

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Heathcliffscathy · 23/01/2005 11:05

and hmb i know it isn't peer reviewed...but my original point is: isn't it interesting that a few years ago, there was a lively and vibrant discussion about vaccination taking place in the medical community and isn't it dangerous that vaccination has now become a holy cow? can you see my point?

happymerryberries · 23/01/2005 11:08

Oh and the paper is disengenous in the extreme when it infers that the CDC doesn't regard vaccination as effective, since the CDC suports vaccination very much indeed! This is typical of the sort of dodgy tricks I saw in the pharmaceutical industry (and stopped btw!)

happymerryberries · 23/01/2005 11:09

And I'm still waiting for the quotes that show that smallpox still exsits btw ast!

happymerryberries · 23/01/2005 11:11

I do know that when small pox is discovered the idea is that all people around the individual are vaccinated to 'ring fence' the break out....so I don't know if some of the people were already infected and thus died. Also vaccinations in the 1920's were somewhat more 'crude' than they are now.