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2005: the flare-loving fag-free club

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charliecat · 02/01/2005 18:06

Here we go girls

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charliecat · 07/01/2005 21:31

BM I have been rattly all week...I wonder whether it is the moon or the tide or something beyond us that makes us rattle more on somedays than others? My shoulders have been tense and my nicotine monster that is dead but has a will to live is trying to tell me i will feel better if i have a fag.
My rational self is saying Yeah Piss Right Off. But its not stopping the nicotine monster from felling the way it does. Rattly and on the edge.
We are all one fag away from being smokers. Its that simple.

Im sure you will find a good place for your dd...and all this will be a dreadful memorie.
We all have horror storys but in the end we find what we were looking for{hugs}}}}}

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charliecat · 07/01/2005 21:31

BM I have been rattly all week...I wonder whether it is the moon or the tide or something beyond us that makes us rattle more on somedays than others? My shoulders have been tense and my nicotine monster that is dead but has a will to live is trying to tell me i will feel better if i have a fag.
My rational self is saying Yeah Piss Right Off. But its not stopping the nicotine monster from feeling the way it does. Rattly and on the edge.
We are all one fag away from being smokers. Its that simple.

Im sure you will find a good place for your dd...and all this will be a dreadful memorie.
We all have horror storys but in the end we find what we were looking for{hugs}}}}}

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mammya · 08/01/2005 16:25

I've been bad again guys... had about 3 yesterday and now asking myself why oh why???? I have problems and am stressed at the moment but that's no excuse, I try to remind myself of Allen Carr's wise words but still gasping for one... AAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH

bluemoon · 08/01/2005 20:36

You're kind, cc, thanks .

Oh, mammya, join my failure club!

I've done a bit better today actually, not been in such a dire state of craving. But honestly it's disheartening to feel SUCH a need to smoke almost 3 months after I started seriously quitting.

mammya · 08/01/2005 20:58

Yes Bluemoon, I know how you feel... I thought I was doing so well too! Tonight I strongly resisted the pull of the corner shop, ostensibly it would have been to buy some wine but I know I would have bought 10 fags to. Glad I did too! The downside is I don't even have any booze in the house tonight... Oh well it's tea and gritted teeth for me then!

minkmama · 09/01/2005 12:57

don't be silly bm, you're not a failure, just a perservering non-smoker. it may take us all a long time but we will get there

mammya, i love tea but it's a crap substitute for those times in need isn't it??!! i try to drink chamomile to feel healthier and serene but let's face it....

well done on not going to that evil corner shop!

bluemoon · 09/01/2005 13:12

For me, the one moment I will personally feel I've failed is when I buy a pack. No matter how many odd fags I've tabbed off someone / dp I can forgive myself or rather not be immensely worried I've 'failed.' But if I bought a pack then I know I'd smoke them all very quickly and be in big trouble! I'm a smokaholic in that I can't have just one, have to keep going until there's none left and I feel like shit!

charliecat · 09/01/2005 17:55

Goodness me! So many posts!!!
Mammya, dont knock yourslef too badly, as long as you jump back onto the wagon to freedom straightaway youll be okay.
Every time I failed I would say...well Ive learnt something else that time...and it would be stuff like....just one never is just one...no matter how many days id been itching to smoke one...when I had that one it didnt "taste" how I wanted it too and id end up having 3 days worth(full of guilt and regret)....that smoking joints in replacement is not the way to go...its just nicotine in a different form....that just because someone looks like they are enjoying that fag doesnt make it the right choice for me to have one...that smoker that looks like they are enjoying that fag has to wake up and .....erghhhhh ...start the day with a fag.
Fuck That......
LOL
Big Rant, I have been thinking about fags and smoking and my junkie addiction to the weed as you may be able to tell
Caring for your recovery was relevent for me and just by reading it and taking a few deep breathes I felt calmer and less on the edge...its there if you want to read it!

At about 2.15 am this morning I was watching celebrity Big Brother and theres a kiddie just turned 19 in there from a famous boy bandy thingy...anyway...he must have decided to give up the fags when he went in or something...and he was pleading, but trying not to...for germaine greer to give him a cigar...and hes going ..."Its ok, I dont want to smoke, I know I dont want to smoke a cigarette..but please let me have one of those cigars.
Made me tearful...I just thought fucking hell its a shit of a drug. And it is.
More reading material if needed !!!

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fionagib · 09/01/2005 19:09

hello girls

please don't be too hard on yourselves bm and mammya! You're still trying to quit and are dtermined to do it, and you will do it - having those off slip ups just makes us feel crap doesn't it, the worst times for me psychologically are when I am on-off-on-off ciggies, all over the place & getting depressed about my crumbling will power.

Have had good spell tho - lovely time hanging out with my best friend from london, night out and no cigs - dh has at last installed broadband HURRAH!!! but no longer have silquit counter as it's on other pc.... but am not bothered about it, have been 'clean' since some very secretive & dastardly puffing at new year.

have lozenges, will survive!! Hope you've all had good w'end xxxx

minkmama · 09/01/2005 20:07

glad you had a great weekend fg, what did you get up to? all my girlfriends are scattered around the British Isles so no hope of that kind of weekend for me!

fionagib · 09/01/2005 21:14

we shopped, broused bookshops, had loads of coffee stops and saw Vera Drake, the new Mike Leigh film which was fantastic. Just lovely to spend time with a female friend who I've been close to for 20 years (we worked on Just Seventeen together).

god that makes me sound OLD!!!!!

I hesitate to mention the situation in Thailand on this thread but do so hope that none of your friends or family have been affected mink. xxxxxx

charliecat · 09/01/2005 21:49

I dared not mention it either so horrific words cant cover it. Hope your folks are ok xx

FG life of riley!!!! We had friends round and played on the eyetoy for the playstation...its a movement sensor camera so your doing mad karate chops into the fresh air but on the tv your knocking the crap out of a computer dude...very sweaty giggly fun!
And today we went to godstone farm again as DD2 was determined to go back and that wasnt as cold as it was in the middle of November so it was a nice day out.
Must dasht o give dp haircutxx

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charliecat · 10/01/2005 07:56

Think MN went down last night didnt it? As this is still in active convos and usually its long gone!
Good start to the week...woke up and layed in bed thinking blooming hell another week....want to stay in bed...and then I remembered that had I still been smoking I would have shot out of bed and probably have been on my 2nd fag by then...

.......yoooohoooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You mind does forget doesnt it?

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fionagib · 10/01/2005 11:40

yeah it does cc. It's so brilliant when you get a moment like that.

and yes did feel v lucky wangling my girlie day out!!

quiet morning with dd, she's playing with her farm - so much easier without her brothers to scrap with!

charliecat · 10/01/2005 11:45

I have 1 hour and 16 mins left of no kid time

Had to hang my nose round the edge of the bus shelter today as some old biddy was fagging it in MY fresh air

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fionagib · 10/01/2005 20:15

yey! you're starting to hate fag smoke! That's got to be a move forward hasn't it?

not wanting fags but craving wine, have texted dh to bring some home.

charliecat · 10/01/2005 22:53

I was quite happy cuddling friends little baby (3 weeks old AHHHHH) but had to have peach snaps and lemonade when I had my hands free!
By next year we will be on the 2006 and still on the booze threads LOL

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fionagib · 11/01/2005 09:46

it's very quiet around here...

bm, mm, everything okay with you folks? yeah cc am gonna have to cut down on booze at some point but just can't face it, or going out running in the rain and the gales, gazelle like status a long long way off at the mo....

minkmama · 11/01/2005 14:37

hi girls am still here! thanks for your concern cc and fg, my family are okay, luckily they live very mainland thailand. it was shocking wasn't it? i still cry everytime i watch the news...

am off to b'ham again this week so will be M.I.A for a few days. the only hairdresser i trust is up there so at least i'll be able to get my hair cut which i'm sure you'll all agree is quite the luxury!

cc, remind me to ask you about dummy-snatching when i get back as MIL reckons we should whip it off ds2 now!! don't know if i can bear the sleepless nights tho...

minkmama · 11/01/2005 14:41

your girlie weekend sounded ace fg! now when i go to a cafe on my own i gulp down the coffee pronto and feel as though i'm wagging off school saw a girl (i say 'girl' but she was 20something) lounging around reading in Starbucks the other day and thought 'WHERE HAS MY LIFE GONE???' is it just me having 2 kids in 2 yrs or motherhood in general? and i'm planning on having more, must be mad.

how are you bm?

charliecat · 11/01/2005 16:30

Mink, have a good time in B.Ham! See you when you get back! Regarding the dummys, my screaming, didnt sleep properly till she was 5 and a half year old first DD didnt have one\wouldnt have one forced on her after it dawned on us she was gonna keep screaming forever(!) and I thought that was the way to go...but...as I breastfed DD2 I didnt want her using me as a dummy so she had one...happily accepted and when she was 3.1 we gave it to Santa in her stocking and he took it and gave it to another baby.
I suppose its up to you really. I found it invaluable during changes...like growths spurts...the times when they suddendly refuse to nap as they are outgrowing it etc etc.
None of the kids at nursery have dummys(!) One little girl has hers in her pocket in her coat and she sticks it in the minute shes with her mum. I think it must be peer pressured parents. They see none of the others have so they dont send them in with them although im sure they must have them at home......or am I totally off the mark? I weaned dd off it through the day so she only had it at night before giving it to Santa BTW.
Made out as if it was just one of these things that is going to happen. I find if you pretend your confident this will succedd and pretend to them you know its going to be a sucess it works!
FG my clothes are cutting me in half...im more rhinolike than gazelle like
Wheres everyone else slinked off too??!!

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fionagib · 11/01/2005 22:41

HOPE YOU HAD A GOOD TIME MINK! oops, didn't mean caps there... yeah, cc, am feeling porksome too, and am desp for a run but there's gales and trees falling, driving rain....

nearly crecked tonight. Boys' behaviour abonimable (showing off in front of their friend who'd come for tea) - ganging up on dd and her little pal for two hours. I told and told them to stop but they wouldn't. Have cancelled their b'day sleepover in feb (they're still going bowling with their mates, so there are some treats!) Their behaviour has been so challenging lately, am exhausted - couple of nights ago they were up, yelling in their rooms and crashing about till 10 pm.

grabbed a fag, and kinda rolled it between my fingers. Then put it down and have had wine, tea, choc, deep breaths, a shout, crackers, aubergine pickle (!)- oh, and tears!

and they are nearly eight years old!!!!

(but no fag - hurrah!)

minkmama · 11/01/2005 23:29

aubergine pickle?? is it any good?

fionagib · 12/01/2005 08:56

it's an indian condiment made by patak's - tear-inducingly spicy!

so glad didn't smoke last night - two things that made me put fag down were -
cc's frequent message that 'havibg a fag doesn't actually make things any better'
and dh ranting, 'You'll be so pissed off with yourself tomorrow!'

dd at home in bed, sleeping, has temp though it's just a nasty cold I think.

have said I 'might' consider a sleepover (consisensy, eh, don't you just love it!) if behaviour improves over next 2 weeks. The boys woke up v meek and sad and contrite this morning, I felt like sh@t for being so foul tempered,but they do push me to the limits.

was I wrong to get mad?

charliecat · 12/01/2005 10:47

Well Done Fiona for not doing the deed!!!!!!! Another hurdle jumped and conquered.
This is my link from the other day...

The recovered alcoholic, the heroin addict, the nicotine addict, deep down each knows the "Law of Addiction." They?ve heard it over and over again. Just one sip, one tiny fix, or one little puff of nicotine, just once, that's all it takes and the addict is back! They know that either immediately or in a short period of time they'll once again be slaves to their old level of drug use or greater. We know the Law of Addiction so why do we break it?

There are three primary factors associated with relapse: (1) rewriting the law of addiction; (2) an excuse; and (3) a vague memory. It doesn?t matter if it happens within two hours, two days, two weeks, two months, two years, or twenty, the factors remain the same and apply to all of us. Rewriting the law of addiction is easy and you don?t need a pencil, paper or computer to do it.

Amending the Law of Addition

?Just one puff? and then ?do not pass go, do not collect $200, but go directly to the addict?s prison and surrender your freedom for good.? It isn?t that the recovering nicotine addict doesn?t know or believe the law of addiction because we do. It?s just that we begin to believe that we?re the exception. We convince ourselves that we?re stronger and smarter than those who discovered the law, and wiser than all addicts who came before us. We amend the law. We put ourselves above it. ?Just one, it?ll be ok, I can handle it, I'm stronger than the others, a little reward, it's been a while, I?ve earned it.?

I?m sorry. As soon as such thoughts begin infecting the mind they tend to start feeding on themselves and in all likelihood your body's period of healing and freedom is over. Your dreams and hard work are all being thrown into a dirty toilet that one puff of nicotine is about to flush.

Instead of saying that you can handle? just one ,? a truthful statement would have been ?I can handle them all, give them all back to me, my entire addiction, all the ashtrays, the coughs, the stink, the endless stream of 4,000 plus deadly chemicals that come with each puff (including 43 known cancer causing agents), the constant gradual destruction of every cell in my lungs and the gradual clogging and hardening of every blood vessel in my body, the 50/50 chance of killing myself at least 14 years early, all the money it will cost me to stay enslaved for years and years to come (together with massive future price increases designed to get me to quit), the growing social pressures that will make me feel even more like an outcast, I want it all back, all of it!?

It?s far easier for the junkie mind to create a one puff or one cigarette exception to the ?law? than admit the truth. A one pack a day addiction is 7,300 cigarettes a year. Don?t picture smoking just one. Instead, picture yourself sticking at least a year's supply into your mouth all at once. Try fitting them all into your mouth because in truth that's exactly where they'll be going, year after year after year. ?To thine own self be true.? You deserve the truth - you paid the price - you earned it.

The Perfect Excuse

The excuse can be anything. Usually the addict waits for that great excuse to come along, but some get tired of waiting and any old excuse will do. Even joy! A reunion with an old smoking buddy, a few drinks with friends, a wedding, a graduation, or even a baby?s birth and a free nicotine laden cigar, or trying a harmless looking new nicotine delivery device like the 27 flavors of suckers, the straw, lozenges, candy or even nicotine water or soda, why not! But joyful or even stupid nicotine relapse is harder to explain to yourself and to those you love.

The smart nicotine addict waits for the great excuse, the one that we know we can sell to ourselves and others. As sick as it may sound, the easiest to sell and the best of all is the death of a loved one. Although everyone we love is destined to die and it will happen sooner or later, for the reformed addict it?s the perfect excuse for relapse. I mean, who can blame us for ingesting highly addictive drugs into our bodies upon our mother?s death. Anyone who does would have to be extremely insensitive or totally heartless! Right? Losing a job, the end of a relationship, serious illness, disease or financial problems are all great excuses too - it?s drug time again! The addict is back!

Lost Memories

But an excuse doesn?t work alone. It needs help. Failing memories of ?why? we were willing to put ourselves through the anxieties and emotion of physical withdrawal, and weeks and weeks of psychological adjustment in order to break free, breathe fatal life into any excuse. Most of us failed to keep a detailed record of why we commenced recovery or what it was like. Instead, we are forced to rely upon our memory to accurately and vividly preserve the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. But now, the memory in which we placed all our trust has failed us.

It isn?t that your memory is bad, faulty or doing anything wrong. In fact, it?s working as it should to preserve in as much detail as possible the joyful events of life, while forgetting, as quickly as possible, all the pain and anguish that we?ve felt, including our disdain for the addict's life we lived. To have our brains do otherwise would make life inside our minds unbearable. If women were forced to remember the true agony and intense pain of childbirth, most would have just one. We are each blessed with the gift to forget.

So how does the reformed nicotine addict who failed to keep accurate records of their journey revive their passion for freedom and recall liberty's price? If we forget the past, are we destined to repeat it? Not necessarily. It doesn?t have to be. But just as any loving relationship needs nourishment to flourish, we can never take our recovery for granted or the flame will eventually die and the fire will go out. We have to want to protect this glory until the day we die. We have to turn that "want" into action. If we do, we win. If not, our fate may be up in the air with serious risk of relapse followed by crippling disease or even a very early grave.

Whether it?s daily, weekly or monthly, our recovery needs care. If you don?t have a detailed log to regularly review when faced with adversity, upon each anniversary of your quit or at each birthday, do your best to create one now. Talk to those still smoking and ask for help in revitalizing your memories. Encourage them to be as truthful as possible. Although they may look like they?re enjoying their addiction to smoking nicotine, the primary joy they get is in keeping their body?s blood serum nicotine level within the comfort zone, so as to avoid the onset of the anxieties and craves of early withdrawal. Show them your pen and paper and invite them to help you create your list. You may even cause a spark in them. Be kind and sincere. It wasn't long ago that those were our shoes.

Also, try envisioning the first week. What was it like? Can you still feel the powerful craves as your body begged and cried to be fed? Can you still feel the pain? Do you see yourself not being able to concentrate, having difficulty sleeping, feeling depressed, angry, irritable, frustrated, restless, with tremendous anxiety, a foggy mind, sweating palms, rapidly cycling emotions, irrational thinking, emotional outbursts or even the shakes? Do you remember these things? Do you remember the price you paid for freedom? Do you remember why you were willing to pay it?

If you have access to a computer, you won't need a smoker?s help or even to recall the early days of your own journey. You can go on-line to scores of smoking cessation support groups and find thousands of battles being fought, hear tons of cries and watch hundreds struggling for survival as they cling to the promise of the rich sense of inner calmness, quiet and comfort that lies beyond. Visit as often as possible. Make a few posts to those in need. The most important thing you can tell them is the truth about why you are there. Tell them how comfortable and complacent you've become. It's what they yearn to hear! Many smoked their entire adult life and have a difficult time believing that withdrawal isn't permanent. Fear of the unknown is frightening. Help them and in doing so help yourself.

If you find yourself attempting to rewrite the law of addiction, stop, think, remember, read, revisit, revive and give to others, but most important, be honest with you. Terrible and emotional events will happen in each of our lives - such is life. Adding full-blown nicotine relapse to any situation won?t fix, correct or undo your underlying concern. In your mind, plan for disaster today. How will you cope and keep your healing alive should the person you love most in this world suddenly die? What will you do?

Remember, we've only traded places with our chemical dependency and the key to the cell is one puff of nicotine. As long as we stay on this side of the bars, we are the jailors and our dependency the prisoner. We only have two choices. We can complete this temporary period of adjustment and enjoy comfortable probation for life or we can smoke nicotine, relapse, and intentionally inflict cruel and unusual punishment upon these innocent bodies for the remainder of their life, together with inviting a 50/50 chance that you'll be putting yourself to death. If the first choice sounds better - comfortable lifetime probation - then we each need only follow one simple rule - NEVER TAKE ANOTHER PUFF!

Breathe deep, hug hard, live long!

Which I think bangs it on the head.
Theres a bit that says once that thought infects your brain...and its true...once you start thinking I could just have 1 it all goes shit shaped.

Not wrong to get mad FG or ban the sleepover. If they know they have got to behave for thier reward...the sleepover and you have angelic kids because of that its a good thing!
My kids take things very literally so I dont say anything unless I mean it or it causes hassle later. Dp says things like "No dont jump on my back" but then tickles (rewards) them for it...then they accidently dig thier bony knees in his ribs and he shouts at them for hurting him...he thinks because he said no they are in the wrong for doing it again...but he makes no physical effort to remove them...and tickles them to make it into a game...and it ends in tears and the kids get sooo confused and i silently seethe! He doesnt learn and a few days later something similar will happen. I have tried to explain this to him but he thinks im nagging. The kids never take him seriously as hes totally inconsistent. I am a Rock of Iron!
They know where they stand with me! Doesnt stop them bickering and occasionally being little shits but most of the time they are ok!
You probably did do this or if you didnt try it.
As they are starting to wind up your DD Tell them to behave or you will cancel the sleepover or whatever nice thing....they should behave for at least 5 mins...then they will start again at which point you say Im serious, you keep going and ...threat...they should get the message. And if they dont then they dont deserve the treat do they???!!!!
Chonking madly here...banana for breakfast instead of choccy and crisps...

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