Refusing to vaccinate

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I went to vaccinate my one year old yesterday and I was so surprised when the nurse told me that some parents still refuse vaccinations. I am genuinely intrigued as to why this is?

Please don’t spread such incorrect nonsense.

I would suggest you check the facts. Its unlikely but possible. The overall point I wanted grasped was that it's the diseased that need to be feared and they can come from both vaccinated and unvaccinated camps if they have not had measles.

One of the reasons anti Vax movement is growing is vaccine injury denial and the other is uninformed pro vaxxers who keep denying stuff which is easily provable in this case that is printed on the manufacturers leaflet.

People have become blase about the severity of a lot of the illnesses these vaccines prevent. Not have they seen the harm/resulting damage from them. Thanks to herd immunity most of the antivaxxers kids won't get ill but I do wonder the reaction if their child gets measles or another such illness who will they blame?

I would suggest you check the facts. Its unlikely but possible. The overall point I wanted grasped was that it's the diseased that need to be feared and they can come from both vaccinated and unvaccinated camps if they have not had measles.

Link to (peer reviewed) studies and stats, please? All the paperwork I’ve seen indicates that even in the very rare cases of mild measles from the attenuated live virus, the virus does not shed.

In any case, your rather ludicrous paragraph above was straight scare story. If you’d been trying to share (questionable) facts you’d have qualified - your clarification that you do think you know what you’re talking about, and that you think this is a very rare occurrence, gives hint to your motivation in writing ‘recently vaccinated and infectious’ as if the two are invariably or even often linked, and certainly more likely that measles from an unvaccinated person which was what you were lampooning.

I agree with you on the need to be clear about the risks of vaccines - but also the need to put them in context, and not overstate them, invent them or hyperbolise them as you have done here.

Vaxxed TV critique. One of the Drs pushing anti-vaxx is a plastic surgeon...

scienceblogs.com/insolence/2017/04/20/what-makes-a-physician-become-an-antivaxer

Link to (peer reviewed) studies and stats, please? All the paperwork I’ve seen indicates that even in the very rare cases of mild measles from the attenuated live virus, the virus does not shed

I've already informed you of where you can find the information which is likely to have been gleaned from peer reviewed studies. Perhaps time to catch up on your reading and read all relevant paperwork to be fully informed.

The point again is both vaccinated and unvaccinated can catch measles and spread it unless they have already had measles. Hopefully you won't be claiming next that an outbreak has never originated from a vaccinated individual.

I've already informed you of where you can find the information which is (really un-)likely to have been gleaned from peer reviewed studies.

Fixed that for you.

I've already informed you of where you can find the information which is likely to have been gleaned from peer reviewed studies. Perhaps time to catch up on your reading and read all relevant paperwork to be fully informed.

You don’t have primary sources? Oh. Well. I think I’ll skip taking lectures on being informed then.

Where exactly did you say I could find this? (I’m not wasting my time on Mercola, btw...)

The point again is both vaccinated and unvaccinated can catch measles and spread it unless they have already had measles. Hopefully you won't be claiming next that an outbreak has never originated from a vaccinated individual.

First - that’s not what you said. You said the recently vaccinated could spread the disease through having recently had the vaccine. Unlike (very very rare) cases in varicella, there are not documented cases of this with measles vaccine. Is there a reason you’re changing your story?

Second, no one has said vaccinated people can’t get measles (I did myself). But they are many, many times less likely to get it than an unvaccinated person and the disease will for most people be mild.

And the more people in a community who are vaccinated with the two-dose course, the lower the number of people who are susceptible, and the lower the likelihood of disease circulating in the first place.

FFS is someone seriously advocating we get our vaccination advice from a YouTube channel?? Really? That says all you need to know about anti-vaxxers.

When I want facts and truth, I don’t refer rthem medical journals or academics, oh no. I take myself off to Speakers Corner and ask the man standing on a stepladder wearing a tinfoil hat screaming at pigeons.

He knows think they don’t want us to hear 🤪

I had measles when I was 2. It’s affected my eyes, to the extent that I am losing the sight in my right eye. I’d hoped I would be a lot older when this happened but it has deteriorated significantly over the past three years. I have little clarity of vision, and will probably be completely blind in this eye before I am 60. My vision in my other eye isn’t great either, so it’s not as if I have a good eye to compensate. Please vaccinate your children.

My brother is deaf in one ear from mumps as a teenager. He didn't get the mmr as a child as my dad was against it at the time. He has now had the mmr as an adult

What are people actually scared of? Maybe because we don’t see people who have had polio or scarred from smallpox these days - don’t doget it wasn’t all that long ago we didn’t have tetanus shots or readily available antibiotics and people died from a simple cut or graze (as a relative of mine did).

When they go on holiday to exotic parts do they immunise against yellow fever or take malaria tablets?

I presume those whose parents chose not to vaccinate will be provided, at 18, with a full and comprehensive list of all the vaccines they were not given as children, so they can make the decision themselves?

Probably not.

I suppose the first the child will know is when they contract one of the diseases.

I’m in two minds about whether vaccinations for children should be compulsory (allergies to the vaccine etc as exceptions). Your child is not your possession; s/he has rights independent of yours and your wishes/beliefs. Notwithstanding, I accept this would be controversial. What should then happen is that unvaccinated children are not allowed to attend state schools. Or use public transport (more difficult to police, but you can make it a criminal offence). You can force private institutions which do accept unvaccinated kids to state this very clearly in all marketing material etc etc. They don’t care about the impact on the rest of society - fair enough. But the rest of society shouldn’t have to accommodate them.

There was a thread on here a couple of months ago asking about women who are non-immune to Rubella. It was full of women who aren't immune despite several vaccinations, like me. It's only herd immunity that allows those women to carry children safely.

And although it's a mild illness for non-pregnant people, isn't there also a risk to anyone with a compromised immune system?

Yes indeed. As the population ages and medical advancement makes previously fatal illnesses ‘treatable’ surely we have a higher number of people in the pollution who are susceptible to these illnesses. I know when mum and dad were receiving chemo they were weak and vulnerable. My aged grannies weren’t up to fighting off measles.

So because some right on conspiracy fools believe that aliens are controlling us via vaccinations (or whatever) we have to lock away the vulnerable?

You don’t have primary sources? Oh. Well. I think I’ll skip taking lectures on being informed then.
It would serve everyone to be well informed. I have told you where you can find the info. It's up to you.

That unvaccinated person who's about to come down with measles cooing over your tiny unvaccinated baby in the park, as you push your toddler on the swing, though...
That comment was trying to scare people and simply neglected the fact that anyone can come down with measles. Nothing said can detract that it strongly gives the impression it was written to whip up unreasonable fear against unvaccinated people.

I believe there is a false sense of security in the anti vaccinations camp.
Think about it, the last few generations of children have been vaccinated and the real horror of measles, mumps and rubella are widely unknown to the general public.
I have to ask if you are against vaccination, why did people in the past go through all the troubles of finding a way of protecting children from these illnesses? Because, these illnesses would not have come to anyone's attention if there wasn't a problem in the first place.

YouTube videos Jenny? You believe that YouTube is a credible source for evidence based medicine?

Jesus wept

Two days ago, the Sun reported that there have been more than 100,000 cases of measles across the EU in 2018. I think I'd be feeling increasingly uneasy if I hadn't vaccinated.

cantpissinpeace, what do you mean that you have no responsibility to random pregnant women? What you are saying is, I don't give a shit about the rest of society as long as me and mine are okay.

I'll add to this with a story from when my mother was pregnant with me, before there was a rubella vaccine.

My mum went to visit her cousin not long after she found out she was pregnant (mum's pregnancy not cousin). My cousin had a toddler the same age as my older brother and they obviously played together, both sat on the knees of their own mothers and their 'aunties' knee. A fun family time with tea and biscuits and orange squash for the children.

A couple of days later the cousin's child was ill and taken to the Dr who diagnosed German measles (as it was called then).

The cousin burst into tears, not because of her daughter but because of what may happen to my mother's pregnancy, the very real risk that I could be born deaf and blind with heart defects and autism.

Also my brother could have caught the disease causing a further exposure for my mother and I.

My mother's only option was gamma globulin injections, these are blood products so there is a risk of hepatitis and other blood born disease.

In 1996 there was an outbreak of rubella in the UK, 12 children were born with 'congenial rubella syndrome'.

12 children disabled by the selfish actions of people like you cantpissinpeace.

12 children with lives made immeasurably harder, 12 families changed for ever.

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So am I right in thinking that the people who chose not to vaccinate their children are relying on the rest of us to vaccinate ours to protect them? What if we all had this mentality? It seems to me that it a matter of weighing up the pros and cons when choosing whether to vaccinate your child or not the the pros MASSIVELY out weight the cons when it comes to vaccinating your child and protecting them and others from deadly diseases. I'm yet really to read what the cons of vaccines are actually... these risks that a few posters have mentioned what actually are they?

They have failed to grasp the concept that for the whole herd thing to work there needs to be a high % of the population vaccinated.

Their precious darlings are not unique or the son of god. They do not have an allergy or condition that means that they cannot be vaccinated. They are the idiots who think that rules are for everyone else but not them.