Refusing to vaccinate

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I went to vaccinate my one year old yesterday and I was so surprised when the nurse told me that some parents still refuse vaccinations. I am genuinely intrigued as to why this is?

Stupidity!
My dog has to be vaccinated in order to go to doggy daycare Same should apply to children !

Buying chicken pox vaccine for our twins after their 13m boosters

Vaccinations don't always work. I had two lots of MMR as a child and still contracted measles. It was horrible but I have had no after effects.

Aren't vaccines less effective in adults though? (Or is that only the chicken pox one?)

I had rubella when I was younger. It wasn't particularly pleasant... frankly I'm all for vaccinating against things that will cause my daughter suffering, even if it is only temporary.

I wasn't vaccinated against rubella when I was pregnant, I'd had an mmr but the immunity had worn off by the time I was pregnant. This happens to some people. Anyway, they wouldn't vaccinate me while I was pregnant, instead I had to wait until I had the baby. So saying she can find out and have the immunisation when she's pregnant is stupid and ignorant because that's not even how it works

When I was at vaccination age in the early 80s I could not have the MMR vaccine as one of my parents had a medical condition that they thought might cause a severe reaction.

I subsequently caught all three diseases. It was truly awful.

My child has had everything offered. Why the hell wouldn't you?

So will you be getting your baby vaccinated against rubella at puberty then? Or if your baby is a boy, will you be making sure that he checks his partner's vaccination records every time he has sex with a woman of child-bearing age? My aunt died from rubella complications, so I'm incredibly grateful for the life-saving vaccination which is now available.

This is something I fear is becoming more prevalent due to lies sold as facts that circulate around social media. Unfortunately, there are such gullible people out there that they will literally believe anything they read - no critical thinking faculties at all. They also believe themselves to be "educated" and that they've "done their research" after spending hours trawling nonsense websites such as www.vaccinesarebad.com. So it is very difficult to dissuade them. Sadly, it's going to take a proper epidemic with lots of babies and children needlessly dying or left permanently disabled before people realise their stupidity (and what's even sadder is that people who rely on herd immunity are going to suffer and die too because of the selfishness of others).

My midwife at my most recent appointment really drilled into me the importance of vaccines - I don't remember having such a stern talking-to with my first (who is fully up to date with his vaccines plus I'm paying for him to have extra this summer) which leads me to believe anti-vaxxing is a growing trend in my area. Terrifying.

People refuse because they are muppets, I suppose. They read some bs on the internet and think they know more than the experts. My kids got every vaccine they were offered!

I think people don't vaccinate because there is a risk- like all things.

There is concern over the use of aluminum and thimerosal.

That's all I'm going to say, because these threads get so vile.

My daughter could become seriously ill/die from ‘minor’ illnesses such as chickenpox because of medical immunosuppression. I worked with a woman whose daughter died aged 6 from measles complications.

These are the realities of reduced herd immunity.

I’m ok with these threads being vile. Sometimes I hate the random spite and nastiness on here but I couldn’t really care less about hurting the feelings of a selfish anti vaxxer 🤷🏻‍♀️

Can't get my head around this frankly dim witted thinking ...

Ok - lets just go down that Rabbit hole all the anti-vaxxers live in, suspend ALL rational thought, and scientifically PROVEN evidence... and suppose, just suppose that (especially) the MMR vaccine 'causes autism' (which every rational human being knows to be utter bollocks) BUT let's just go there with them for a moment..
REALLY?? Have they seen the consequences of measles. ? I have. I worked in refugee camps in Laos in the 1980s.. I've seen kids die. Left deaf AND blind. Mothers contract rubella.. late miscarry /still birth, brain damage..
I have an Autistic son. He has a great quality of life, he can also see, hear and reason. He is also ALIVE ... and yet these people would rather 'risk' the consequences of these preventable diseases including death - in preference to Autism? (That most sane individuals know is an imagined risk anyway!)

None of it has any logic built in to the argument.

I used to know a bunch of people who wouldn't vaccinate. For them it wasn't really logic about the risk from vaccines. It was more about a feeling that their babies were somehow "clean", "pure" or "natural" and should be preserved that way. Plus at least one argued that if her child got ill from the vaccination she would feel eternally guilty as she would caused it. But if her child got ill from the disease that would just have been bad luck so she wouldn't feel so bad.

When my child is grown up and pregnant, she will be able to check if she is immune and if not, get the vaccination then.

You can't have a rubella vaccination when you are pregnant. You must wait until after the birth.

And the risk from rubella isn't especially to the "grown woman" beyond risk of miscarriage and stillbirth (BTW have you never heard of teenage pregnancy), but to their unborn child who is at risk of serious and permanent birth defects.

You can also lose your immunity which especially affects older women (I was immune at 40 but not at 43).

Clearly you've not looked into this very much at all.

https://www.cdc.gov/rubella/pregnancy.html

When my child is grown up and pregnant, she will be able to check if she is immune and if not, get the vaccination then.
And what if your child is NOT grown up but some abusive grown-up gets her pregnant?

@supernintendochalmers that was my experience too. There were local outbreaks of rubella when I was PG with DD2, (west london is rife with anti Vax) and I was really afraid for her.

I got immunised again straight after she was born, having even great appreciation for how important herd immunity is. I wasn't planning another pregnancy but realised it wasn't all about ME!

It's because we are very fortunate in developed parts of the world not to regularly see our young children die of completely preventable diseases. We have had the luxury of forgetting times of high infant mortality. DD nearly died as a newborn (due to hospital negligence rather than disease) but I think this has stopped us being so complacent. DD has had all routine vaccinations and we will pay for her to have the chicken pox vaccine privately post MMR.

My friend refuses to vaccinate because she says - correctly- that the vaccine inserts say not to vaccinate if the parents have an autoimmune disorder.
Problem is she counts her mild eczema as an autoimmune disorder. Personally I'd rather have itchy skin than be dead.

I was raised by my grandmother who was a nurse and saw the worst effects of these diseases first hand - I would never choose not to vaccinate.

Half of all episodes of German measles in children are unrecognised as they are so mild.

So cantpissinpeace, you are prepared to let your child pass on an entirely preventable virus that will cause utter misery of still birth, late miscarriage or birth defects to a woman whose rubella immunity has worn off or may not even know she is pregnant and not immune ?

In my mind that makes you guilty of Manslaughter should your child pass this virus on. In that you have 'a reckless disregard for life of others and caused death that was both foreseeable AND preventable.'

In my mind the only way to deal with selfish idiots like this IS to prosecute a few specimen cases.

I was not vaccinated. My mum said that when I was a baby there were big scares and she was worried. I only found out a couple of years ago when I got whooping cough. I have also had measles and german measles, both of which were far more of a risk to me than the vaccinations would have been.

I wasn't vaccinated against rubella when I was pregnant, I'd had an mmr but the immunity had worn off by the time I was pregnant. This happens to some people.

Yeah, me too. DTwin had hers' the same day as me in 1990 or whatever and was still immune when she was checked 6 months before me, I was unlucky. Can't get the vaccine till after pregnancy and so the NHS advice is, literally, "stay away from people who have rubella". That's it. And how are you supposed to do that if herd immunity is fucked because people are picking and choosing what they fancy from the vaccinations scheme? The fact that poster has made that decision based on an incorrect assumption blows my mind.

I'm lucky my "vulnerability" has a relatively limited timeframe (albeit with massive potential consequences), but there are people with permanent health issues who have to go through life taking a risk of exposure every time they leave the house. It must be a frightening prospect knowing there are people with such attitudes out there.

My DD is vaccinated but I confess to a terrible feeling of what if right until I got to the door. I read somewhere (on here, I believe) that it's a psychological thing - parents can learn to cope with harm to their children so long as it isn't something they've caused themselves by a decision they made.

As it stands, my friend quite rightly put it thusly: better a live baby than a dead one.

Agree with PP that anti-vac views are the ultimate in white privilege. We've never had to deal with the dreadful consequences of a measles epidemic.

Also understand the comments from another poster who said she'll do what she can to protect her kids. I guess it comes down to what you think that protection represents. For me, it meant vaccinating my daughter.

My fiancé once told me about an anti vaxxer chat thing he somehow saw on fb and it amused him.

All the anti vaxxers were saying stuff like "if only there was something out there that could help us stop our children getting x illness!"

Erm yeah.... the vaccine!!!

I have a friend with very severe food allergies. Egg is the worst thing for him if someone’s cooking it the particles in the air can close his airways enough for him to become unconscious. He developed these allergies as a baby as a result of a vaccine (something to do with food proteins being used in making the vaccine).

EVEN HE STILL THINKS VACCINATES ARE WORTH IT!!!!

I think that story is the only real life example of ‘vaccine injury’ I’ve heard. Compare that to other medical procedures/medications, the benefits of vaccines by far out way the risks.