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Dependent Drinkers and Alcoholics (recovering or active) Support Thread

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BrassicMonkey · 24/06/2007 21:00

The last thread will close soon, but I want this one to be about everybody, not just me. So Hidesit, Earlgrey, SoSo and anyone else that needs support please post and keep me company.

I've lapsed again tonight, which is a shame as I hoped I'd be able to start this off on a postive note.

Link to the last thread.

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teasle · 21/11/2007 23:40

A lot of people say there higher power is the collective wisdom of AA.
Sorry last message didn't come across very well. The site just lists the 12 steps in a way I found easier to get a handle on.

havalina · 22/11/2007 00:33

My sister had an issue with the higher power thing, she is a complete atheist, and just couldn't get past it. I did suggest to her that genetics could be her higher power but she rejected this.

But then again I think that this is an excuse, my sister spent 18 months sober with AA and then decided not to go anymore. I do understand as our mother died at the end of this period, she found it too depressing to go and listen to other people's stories day after day.

She did last a couple of months not drinking without AA, but is now drinking as before. I understand as I have also turned to drink as a comfort, I have probably always had an uncomfortable relationship with alcohol. Since I started to drink I have always been a binger (this was regarded as normal when I was growing up).

It has only recently accelerated since I had PND and my Mum died, I drink a lot every few days. I am fine until the craving hits, I can go a couple of weeks but the craving will always hit. When it does hit I drink a lot, my dp is v supportive, but doesn't say anything about my binges, he will never ever challenge me on anything bless him.

Sorry for such a long post it just all came out as I was typing

PurpleOne · 22/11/2007 00:47

My mentor gave me her number so I could call her toorrow if I fancied a drink?
Im not thinking about tmorrow, Im thinking about Friday...

If you think that Im thinking of another excuse to drink tomorrow, then you'd be right.
Giving all of this shit up, that makes me feel like crap everyday, has been my lifeline for 2 years. I'm not trying to justify the drinking...have put on 4 stone in 2 years, that's enough~! I'd love to go back to a 'social drink' on the weekends...but for all the sucessful people here, how many of you have managed that truthfully?

I can't stop drinking until every last drop is gone...no matter what time of night it is. nno matter what time i have to be up to get dd2 up for school, and i often oversleep.
I know this needs to be done, I want it to happen...no excuses. How do you ever get back to a social drink?

PurpleOne · 22/11/2007 00:49

Calalily, you have nothig to lose by picking up the phone....you don't have to commit yourself...it's nice to 'talk' to someone whose been there!

Good luck sweetness x x

havalina · 22/11/2007 00:53

I know what you mean purple one, I don't stop until all of the drink has gone, It has been noticed that I drink really fast, I can't help it, I suppose in reality I just want to get as drunk as I can as quick as I can.

PurpleOne · 22/11/2007 01:00

Hava
I've always tried to get as pissed as I can, in the earliest possible time of nght so I can get up for dd2. Just so I can sleep.

It doesn't work anymore. Sometimes dd2 gets into scholl at eleven. The education welfare officer aint happy....considering dd2 could fall out of bed, get dressed? i live within sight of the school, yet she's had so much time off.

Im still ready to make excuses, I just hope AA is the kick up the arse I really need.

PurpleOne · 22/11/2007 01:09

I made the call to AA at 11am this morning. The guy at the end of the phone said maximum 48 hrs someone will get back to you.....
9hrs time and a mentor is on the phone? Organising with me and sorting out the best time that she can pick me up and take me to a meeting was honorable in itself.

I am pissed (sorry) had a bottle of wine and a litre of white lightning.

But you know what?
I sat dd1 down and told her where Iwas going on Friday evening. She still refuses contact with her dad so she'll be sat here for couple hrs on her own. YOu know what she said?

'mum, if it means me sitting here for a coupla hrs, while you go talk about your drinking...it's only a good thing mum. maybe you can get up on the weekend and do stuff with us instead of sleeping in and watching endless cookery shows and asking for alka seltzers. mum it's good that you can see how pissed off i am with seeing the empties every morning, me having to make you coffee and me going to school without you being out of bed and me not having breakfast.....go for it. it is a problem mum and we all know it, even on the weekend when you don't have to get up, me and tash still have to see the empties when we come downstairs'

SHE'S ONLY 12!!!!!! she's just a child!

my god i am so ashamed

kokeshi · 22/11/2007 09:26

Hey folks, fantastic that you're all willing to try and do something about it. Welcome back Havalina and Calalily. Your wee DD, PO, I was actually welling up reading that. So wise beyond her years eh?

Anyway, I do understand the fear of launching yourself into the unknown, losing your "best pal" - the drink. Now this is something you'll have to just take my word for (and teasle and BrassicMonkey), that when you finally address your drinking and achieve recovery, you'll see how much you were deluding yourself. It's not a "lifeline", it destroys your life, your relationships, your self-esteem. Put the word "alcoholic" and whatever mental images that conjures up for you to the back of your mind.

All you have to think about is that in an AA meeting, there will be men and woman of all ages, creeds, races, professions who are coming together and dealing with their alcoholism. I'd be very surprised if you saw a tramp, or anyone that stank of piss in the meeting. Your more likely to find those alcoholics in pubs, or sitting at home passed out on the couch. Do you see what I mean? Just because you go to AA, doesn't mean you are "lowering" yourself, it means you have the courage and wherewithal to change your life and those around you. When we talk about "in the gutter" it varies from person to person. For some, it's losing a job, others it's family, and yet others it's just a gradual realisation. They have decided that they're powerless over alcohol, no one else.

OK, higher power. Many people believe (wrongly) AA is all about being an evangelical christian, or turning into a nun, or denying yourself all pleasure when they've heard AA and the word GOD. Basically what it means, that a wee while after your heads clear, you've had a few days-at-a-time in a row, then we think about the other aspects the caused our drinking. By stopping drinking, we've dealt with the physical compulsion. You'll hear "don't lift the first drink, you can't get drunk". Amazingly simple idea and it will help you to get through a day a a time.

Afterwards, we have to look a wee bit further at ourselves because many of us have found that we could stop drinking for days, weeks or even months at a time. We've convinced ourselves that we can't possible be alcoholic, because those are the people in the gutter, with the smelly raincoat, that drink as soon as they get up. Then we find that no matter how great our "willpower" we eventually go back to drink.

SO this is where AA comes in with the 12 step programme of recovery. Being an alcoholic, I am told I suffer from a 3 fold illness: a physical addiction/compulsion; a mental obsession; and a spiritual malady.

The mental obsession will convince me that - even after I swear I won't drink again knowing the effects of it and seeing the destruction all around me - that this time it will be different. This time I will only have one drink, or one bottle. I repeat the same behaviour expecting different results. But it all happens over again and I can't figure out why I can't drink like a normal person. I've just been beaten by the physical compulsion and mental obsession: two powerful forces.

Lastly, and here's what I'm trying to explain - the spiritual aspect. I always found that when I drank I was searching for something. Trying to fill a hole inside me. Putting drink in there worked temporarily, but it took away much more than it gave. I had to admit that alcohol was more powerful than me, and in order to stay stopped I had to find something to replace the power of drink. We call it "higher power" because we believe there is something greater, more powerful than ourselves, that can help us to recover from alcoholism. For some, that power is the fellowship of AA, for others it a more traditional power (for example mother nature, Jesus, Buddha, Allah, the Tao). Others use the word "GOD" as an acronym : G-O-D = Good Orderly Direction. So there are many many interpretations on what a "Higher Power" means, but the most important part is that it can be absolutely anything you like. It's your own personal higher power.

I've really gone quite far in discussing the whole idea, which you really don't have to worry about right now. All you have to do is be willing to accept the help offered to you and do what's suggested to you. Don't let the Higher POwer thing put you off. The first thing you have to do is don't drink for a day at a time. That's all of us do in AA. We work on these 24 hours in hand.

Hope everyone else is well. Wel

BrassicMonkey · 22/11/2007 10:04

Morning Kokeshi - thanks for that post. I know it wasn't for me, but the part about overcoming the physical addiction and stopping for months, then picking up a drink again, is where I feel a bit stuck. I'm always afriad that the compulsion will come back and I haven't got a defense.

I know I need to find a sponsor and start the steps or another relapse is inevitable. I just need to find the courage to approach someone

Purple, good on you for phoning AA and arranging your meeting. Your DD sounds like a lovely, responsible young lady. Do you think she might benefit from having a safe place to talk about her feelings? Kokeshi, do you know where children like Purple's daughter can access help? I'm just wondering if there are any groups for a pre-teen from a single parent family. I'm guessing she'd be too young for AlAteen?

Hi again to Calalily - nice to have you back.

Welcome to the thread Hava. My sister is an addict too and throughout my life I was far more aware of her issues than my own. I'm sorry to hear about your mum. Hopefully your sister will reach a point where she wants to start again with AA, when she's ready. Keep posting.

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kokeshi · 22/11/2007 11:11

OH BM, don't worry about it, when I said "a wee while" that was purposely ambiguous. Some people start on the programme within weeks, others it's years. The point is, it's about doing it when you feel ready. Kinda like going to AA in the first place!

As long as your still going to AA and talking (or posting) about all the stuff that affects you, you'll be fine. Basically the programme of recovery in it's simplest form breaks down into evaluating your day and seeing where you've gone wrong.You examine your behaviour and reactions and see your part in things. Then if you know you're in the wrong, you make sure you admit it and apologise. All the while being mindful of not lifting the drink when things get tough, instead sharing with someone about the stuff that's been affecting you.

This is to guard against us harbouring resentments, which will take us back out drinking. So, if you can do this: be completely honest with yourself and those around you and not hold grudges, try and practice acceptance then you're doing the programme in its simplest form.

kokeshi · 22/11/2007 11:13

PS, WHen I post I try to have everyone in mind...including myself. If it's useful to you, then use it. If not, then don't worry about it

kokeshi · 22/11/2007 11:15

Oh I'm not sure about the fellowship for pre-teens. I will have a look into that. She may be ready for Alateen though?

BrassicMonkey · 22/11/2007 11:58

Sorry Kokeshi. It's a bit rude of me to expect you to have all the answers. I looked at the Alateen/AlAnon site but couldn't work much out.

I just thought that she sounds so wise and aware and that she might appreciate an outlet herself. I hope I'm not being overbearing Purple, it's just an idea

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iwantskinnylegs · 22/11/2007 14:01

Hi, I think I am a dependant drinker, don't think I'm an alcoholic as I don't drink all day - only in the evenings, I don't get shakes and I can go a day or so without a drink if I put mind to it. Problem is I do tend to drink most days - last night I had 5 cans of cider and usually it is at least 3 or 4 every night. I am also on anti-depressants and I'm not supposed to drink - I actually did give it up for 3 months but gradually started again and now its even more than before. Every morning when I wake up I feel really annoyed with myself for drinking the night before, but I feel compeeled to drink most of the time - usually once I've got the kids back from school! Iwant to not drink, I felt so much better for the 3 months I stopped. But I don't seem to have the willpower anymore. Not sure why I'm posting to be honest. Keep thinking that I should go to the Dr's and get a liver function test to shock me into stopping. Feel a bit lost.

teasle · 22/11/2007 17:13

Hi iwantskinnylegs- if you think you have a drink problem, then to be honest you probably have.

noddyholder · 22/11/2007 18:16

Drinking all day and getting the shakes are not indicative of being an alcoholic.I think the being annoyed with yourself is ,ore telling

BrassicMonkey · 22/11/2007 18:46

Hi IWSL

I agree with teasle and noddy. Alcoholism isn't really defined by morning drinking or any specific habits.

I don't know anything about LFTs but if you think it will help you to face up to the quantities you are drinking, then it sounds like a good idea.

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kokeshi · 22/11/2007 18:56

Hello iwantskinnylegs, welcome to the thread. I'm going to post this again because I think it's quite helpful in deciding if you have a drink problem. You can interchange the word "alcoholic" with "dependent drinker" or "problem drinker".

"The basic difference between the social drinker and the alcoholic is the way he drinks and the effect alcohol has on him. How much a person consumes is not the determining factor. An alcoholic might not have drink for a month, but when he does, he cannot stop. A social drinker could have a drink a number of times per week. That does not make him alcoholic. A problem drinker drinks to escape from unpleasant realities whereas the social drinker drinks to complement an event. The alcoholic becomes both physically and psychologically addicted to alcohol. The social drinker does not."

If you are having trouble with drink then AA can help you. If you are a dependent drinker, willpower is unlikely to be enough in the long term. Not all alcoholics drink in the morning, not all have withdrawal symptoms. The indication is why you drink, and what happens when you do. AA can help you. Keep posting, we've all been there.

PurpleOne · 22/11/2007 22:57

Hi all!

Hope you've all had a great day. Welcome here IWSL, I agree with what BM says...you don't have to have the shakes or drink in the morning to have a problem.
I'm one of those. I NEVER drink in the morning, but when night time comes I really get going.
I urge you to keep posting here...I'm off for my first AA meeting tomorrow. If I can do it, then so can you. All my AA literature came through the post this morning, so will read that in bed. Their alcoholism checklist scared me!
Not sure how I'm going to be feeling tomorrow afternoon?

Having a last minute drink here, but not pissed. Went to Sainsbury's earlier and bought those 'economy' cartons of juice. I have orange, apple, grapefruit and tomato..when I feel the compulsion to drink, I will pour a juice instead.
Any other suggestions? How do I cope with the DT's if they hit?

I guess that's what my mentor is there for lol...all these questions!!!
Sorry for waffling...!

PurpleOne · 22/11/2007 23:02

As people define alcoholism as an illness...would it be classfied as a disability too??

My GP is aware of all things, especially my anti depressants and drinking. He also told me to go to the Jobcentre and see someone there. Who gave me a form for disability living allowance? Yes, it is a crippling illness...but does that entitle me to claim DLA for my own compulsion?

Your thoughts please!

PO x

kokeshi · 22/11/2007 23:35

PurpleOne, best of luck for tomorrow. Have you had any withdrawal symptoms previously? Like shakes, sweats, insomnia etc etc? DTs (Delirium Tremens...commonly referred to as "seeing pink elephants) are the most severe manifestations of alcohol withdrawal and you must seek urgent medical advice.

Did your GP prescribe any benzos for dampening down the milder symptoms of withdrawal? Have you been honest with him how much you have been drinking? It's important to be prepared as it can be quite an traumatic experience if you withdraw too quickly without the advice of medical professionals.

kokeshi · 22/11/2007 23:44

Re DLA for alcoholism. I don't think it would be classed as a disability as such PurpleOne. Possible if you have end stage alcoholism with Korsakoff's syndrome or liver failure and require round the clock care.

I do know it is a fecking trial to get DLA for what the benefits agency would consider "legitimate" disabilities, I don't know if they would be so sympathetic to alcoholism. After all, they can say well, if you go to rehab/AA/stop drinking then your symptoms will disappear. They may even view it as self-inflicted? I think the basis for DLA claims is that your disabilities not only negatively affect your life but they aren't likely to improve.

But, I really don't know to be honest with you. What did your GP say about it?

PurpleOne · 22/11/2007 23:58

The GP hasn't really been all that constructive as of late.
As well as doling out my AD's, he seems really insistent on me going for a LFT. I haven't done it ( He hasn't recommended AA, nor even put me on waiting list for counselling of sorts.

In one of my really black episodes last April, and I was soooo close to doing sommat stupid, was hearing things. Told him not to give me any pills (AD's) but he did. I feel he is really unsympathetic to my needs and is insistent on getting that LFT. I even asked about Antabuse...he said no.

I'm glad you said what you said re the DLA thing. That's the way I felt about it. More classed towards Incapacity more than anything...not disability.

I don't know about DT's....have never withdraw before. I managed 4 days sober 3 weeks ago, only cos I had gastro. But am prone to insomnia anyways, which is why I started drinking in the first place!

Vicious and circles spring to mind!

kokeshi · 23/11/2007 00:57

An LFT is just a blood test PurpleOne, it will indicate if you have some liver inflammation caused by alcohol abuse.

Talking about medication: I know some GPs are reluctant to give out Antabuse because you have to be really certain you won't drink on it. If you do, it will make you violently ill.

I've never been on it. I was offered it but I felt that I would be somehow cheating myself. I kinda felt that it wouldn't really be me giving up drink at all, it would just be the decision was taken away from me by the drug. In those circumstances, I don't think I would have been willing to accept what AA offered because it's all about taking responsibility for yourself. That is a very personal choice though, and I do think whatever way gets you sober is fine. Wasn't George best on Antabuse?

See how you get on tomorrow, I'm sure if you aren't drinking in the day the physical withdrawals possibly won't be too severe, but just be alert. I'd definitely recommend keeping busy during the times you normally associate with drinking. Fruit juice and mineral water is quite a good substitute for the usual drinks, especially if you're used to drinking sweet, gassy alcohol. Keep a pack of boiled sweets handy if you get a craving and have a good old suck . Your blood sugar levels are closely linked to craving so make sure you don't get hungry.

Keep posting on here about all the things that affect you, and please keep an open mind at the meeting tomorrow. You'll get a good welcome and be among people that really understand.

Take care, will be thinking of you.

kokeshi · 23/11/2007 15:49

Afternoon folks, how goes it?

We had a bit of a nightmare earlier, we were getting a new suite delivered but realised that we couldn't fit the old one out the door. We asked the delivery blokes to help and they just took the old one back in and built the new one around it!

So I've been sawing, cutting, unscrewing since lunchtime to try and get the bloody thing outside. It's all in wee piles now at the front door, awaiting dumping. Phew!

Anyway, I came across an old pic my mum took of me from the back when I was still drinking. It's horrific! I have psoriasis ALL over my body and I just look yeuch. I remember it being torture, really, really itchy and weeping (blee) and still it didn't stop me, I was in such a mess.

How's everyone else today?

PurpleOne, how you feeling about the meeting tonight?