Why would you not vaccinate?

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Has anybody decided against vaccinations for their children? If so what were your reasons?

Actually, I think there might be a (loose) connection between use of vaccines and increase in at least some cancers - I mean those associated with longevity.

Basically, fewer people are dying in infancy and childhood, and far fewer people are suffering the longer term sequelae (whether major or subtle effect). So more people are alive and are in good health, and therefore survive to the age where cancer rates rise.

Some forms of cancer are age related so that could be attributed to vaccines as people didn't live long enough before

Bit of a cross post there Rose although you put it much more eloquently than me.

And even that is complicated by other factors that have increased life expectancy, Rose.

I would think that the age groups with the highest incidence of cancer have had the fewest vaccinations. Which isn’t a very convincing argument for vaccines causing cancer.

This looks at the current US schedule
to quote
"Every new vaccine is tested for safety and evaluated in the context of the entire schedule before it is added"

Good resources for info about vaccines

Oxford vaccine group

iom review of events and causality

Vaccine safety websites meeting good information practices criteria

@nbroots and @gigimoll do you or your children (if you have any) eat tuna or indeed any fish? If so you are probably taking in more mercury that you ever would in a vaccination.

Fintress
In the IOM book about vaccine effects i linked to above there is a section on RA.

Thank you @bruffin, what I suspected. It certainly didn't cause or exacerbate mine. I only had Hep B vacc because I got stabbed in the arm by a bloody dirty kebab skew that was sticking out of a fag bin that was situated outside a shopping mall! A lot of the 'evidence' peddled regarding vaccines is anecdotal.

As far as I am aware, to date no-one know what exactly causes someone to develop RA. I had acute onset within days of my daughter being born and they were at a loss as to why it happened (no familial history) but did say hormones can play a part.

The Cold Chain documentary with Ewan Mcgregor is very postive, probably not exactly what your looking for, but reminds us why we are lucky to have vacvines

Also the Oxford Vaccine Group nay have some on the link above

1. Because your child has one of a specific number of medical conditions or

1. Because you are an idiot.

Maplessglobe

I am from a science background but I have lots of friends who are not and scare themselves silly watching anti vax documentaries.

Me too and I find some of the anti-vax material out there quite literally horrifying in its claims.

Because it is my choice not to.

And you can only reasonably safely make that choice because others choose to do so.

This evening I met an old friend of DHs whose 6 year old died a few weeks ago within a day of becoming ill. The child had Men B.

One of my close friends is not vaccinating any of her children due to her first baby experiencing a 38.5c temp after his first lot of jabs. I struggled to understand before and after speaking to DHs friend this evening, I simply cannot fathom why she would take the risk. His child was not young enough to have the jab and the family did not know it was now available privately. Their child is dead. Their lives and their other children's lives irrevocably damaged.

The diseases are rare for a reason. Hence why I vaccinate.

As parents we have a collective responsibility to all children to vaccinate and especially to the tiny proportion who can’t be vaccinated for genuine health reasons (rather than at the whim of their uninformed and irresponsible parents).

My view is vaccinate against the disease abd the associated complications. I only found out last week that the HPV would prevent cancers in boys too but the government think it too expensive to vaccinate boys as well as girls. I have set up an online petition on the government petitions website. If you type in HPV it should come up. Help prevent cancer by signing it.

@fintress
I can kind of understand it; if there is something ‘wrong’ with your child, then you cast around desperately trying to find a reason for it. And these are a lot of the people telling their stories. But people like Wakefield, funded by the makers of the single vaccines and all the other people peddling ‘natural immunity - just buy my supplements’ really irritate me.

I agree. There is also the fact that not everyone is born with 100% 'perfect' DNA and some may have a trigger that can have devastating consequences eg anaphylactic shock caused by bee stings or eating nuts. It makes sense that there may be an extremely small percentage of people that will have an adverse reaction to a certain vaccination if they already had a propensity to develop the condition or illness due to their genetic makeup.

An example would be that some people are born with the HLA gene which increases their risk of developing RA. Some may go on to develop it but others don't. Having the HLA gene doesn't cause RA but makes you vulnerable to it. In my case they 'think' it was possible that RA was triggered by hormones due to pregnancy. Do they know for certain, no. If I'd never had a child would I have developed it. No-one knows.

God, that probably doesn't make sense, it does in my head but that is thumping right now.

The petition for HPV for boys to protect against mouth and throat cancer and even cancer of the penis (i know that will shock some of you but it's the truth) is at
petition.parliament.uk/petitions/211225
Apparently it is cheaper to treat the cancers once they form as tumors than it is to vaccinate boys! I think this is one thing that should be paid for; everyone knows that cancer is devastating to individuals and whole families.

Also agree

My family has a SCN1A genetic deviation. We know it goes back to at least my DGM born in 1912. My mum had it, as did my sister and for some reason bypassed me and affected my DS. In its mildest form GEFS+ is a abnormal history of febrile convulsions, ie more than normal and in my DM and DSIS case at least 10 years old and DS 13 (so around puberty)
In the extreme form it is Dravets syndrome which again starts as febrile convulsions but then becomes serious epilepsy that causes brain damage. In the past it was mistaken for vaccine damage from dtp,dtap but research showed than the majority of the children investigated had this gene mutation. These children would have gone on to have Dravets whether the initial fever was caused by vaccine or disease and the outcome for them is the same.

It interesting looking at the Jodie Walker case above that she has a chiari malformation of the brain which causes the symptom she has, but the parents seem to be so caught up in the vaccine theory and suing etc that they are not interested in a natural cause.

My mum also had RA from age of 32, which was the age she has my sister. She had rubella after that at the age of 38 but i dont remember it affecting the RA too much.She did have some flare ups but not that often but i know it affected her neck sometimes and left her deaf in one ear.