Why would you not vaccinate?

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Has anybody decided against vaccinations for their children? If so what were your reasons?

We all try and do what’s best for our children. The difference between you and me is that I don’t have the arrogance to assume that reading stuff on the internet makes me more ‘informed’ than the absolute overwhelming majority of scientists and doctors.

Well said

A vaccine won't go anywhere near my children. And I'm happy about it. I ask you again - would you be so happy about it if everyone else took the same view so that deadly childhood illnesses were rife? The only reason you are so happy about it is because you know the chances of them contracting something dangerous are fairly slim - BECAUSE OTHERS ARE MORE RESPONSIBLE THAN YOU.

You do know that tetanus for example could not care less about how well your child is fed? Why are all the supposed vaccine injury stories scary, but this is not? www.abc.net.au/local/stories/2013/06/06/3776327.htm

No, but I'd be happy if people backed off and got off my case about it.
The main reason I didn't vaccinate is because I know it would make my dc very ill taking into account my own genetic health and allergies.

Responsible is looking out for your child yourself. Not a doctor who knows nothing about the health of an 8 week old baby

Responsible is looking out for your child yourself. Not a doctor who knows nothing about the health of an 8 week old baby

See you in the queue for vaccines during the next measles outbreak...

(it's happening because of people like you. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-42704749)

Well, if your doctor 'knows nothing' about the health if an infant, I suggest you change doctor.

BTW, vaccine insert info leaflets are all published online, no need to ask a doctor for them. Though mine certainly gave me mine after my most recent jabs, without my even bpneeding tomadk.

Do not confuse one doctor whose manner was appalling, with any wider point about vaccines.

Btw, there is a huge difference between these two statements

A) because of their medical history my child can not be vaccinated, but I believe that vaccinating in general is a good idea

B) because of their medical history my child can not be vaccinated, and this I extrapolate that vaccinations in general are not kosher

My hold cannot have the nasal flu vaccine due to severe egg allergy. I don’t go about brandishing the kind of rhetoric that you do

Excuse the typos. Off to bed now

It's actually been studied that the measles outbreak was caused by the vaccinated. Not the unvaccinated. Things mutate. Australian flu was a mutation from the flu vaccine for example.
What doctor knows anything about their health? My dd was supposed to be tested for MS when they took her from me the day she was born for checks. They lied to me and told me something was wrong with her. What doctor knows of their allergies to thinks without testing?
Nope. Whatever outbreak. No. She's not having them unless she wants to make that decision for herself in future. But you do you.

DS has had all vaccines up to date except MMR. He'll be 2 next week. It's the one thing parenting wise that my DH feels strongly about, I've explained that you can no longer get mumps as a single vaccine so he will have to have the MMR at some point.

DH and I were born the year that the article was written around MMR and possible ASD, although we both had the vaccine. We have agreed to wait until DS is a little older before he has it. Having watched a friend's son have an adverse reaction to it that lasted a very long time (fits, rashes etc) I feel more comfortable with this decision.

On the whole I have no issues with vaccinations, as they protect people who may be at risk of what is vaccinated against. Although, if DS has a live vaccine I basically am not allowed near him for 24 hours due to being immunocompromised from regular methotrexate treatment.

Why take a child to a doctor in the first place then, if they know nothing?
thesciencepost.com/hospital-to-replace-doctors-with-parents-who-have-done-their-research/

It's actually been studied that the measles outbreak was caused by the vaccinated. Not the unvaccinated. Because of course before vaccines there were never any cases of measles and noone ever died it of it If I were you I'd actually be keeping as quiet as possible about my decision not to vaccinate - certainly not stalking the internet trying to win others over to my cause. The best you can hope is that enough people around you have vaccinated to keep these diseases at bay. Shut up and keep your fingers crossed.

Nah, I'll voice whatever I want thank you without some stranger telling me to lovey.
It's important to be PROPERLY informed and make your own decision. Not turn a blind eye ignorance to kids who've lost their lives to these toxic things.

She's not having them unless she wants to make that decision for herself in future. Well I'm sure she'll be very grateful to you if she contracts meningitis and has to have her limbs amputated.

"It's important to be PROPERLY informed and make your own decision. Not turn a blind eye ignorance to kids who've lost their lives to these diseases which can be prevented '

Changed that for you, to reflect the cause of the greater number of deaths in UK

Gigimoll, i think you have stayed good reason not to vaccine your child (allergies) but you're taking the abuse because you're using arguments that parents with no underlying reason other than fear of causing passion to their child use. You don't need to justify yourself, and in fact, cases like yours are why others are arguing so vociferously for vaccination.

We all agree that vaccines need to be safe, I've worked with people who were terribly injured by vaccines; i have worked with people who have been terribly injured through diseases.

But even if the measles vaccine did cause an outbreak, the people affected by the outbreak are overwhelmingly unvaccinated or partially vaccinated. From an individual risk point of view you’d be far better off getting the vaccine than not.

Some people don't vaccinate because they're distrustful of the motives/intentions of big organisations (in this case, big pharma), due to personal experience (such as vaccine injury), the stumbling upon of shocking or frightening information/research (that which 'exposes' something about big pharma/the nature of vaccines otherwise unknown by the majority of people, or that goes against the general attitude that the population has towards big pharma/vaccines), or a personal interest in alternative medicine over western medicine - or a combination of all these factors (which I believe is most likely to be the case). The distrust in big pharma/western medicine often stems from the idea that big pharma profits from sickness, and the western model of medicine is based on managing the symptoms of sickness rather than preventing or curing sickness (again, for financial gain - capitalism is at the root of these ideas)... the belief that it (big pharma/western medicine) does not have the actual health and wellbeing of the population in is best interest, but money. Although vaccines, indeed, 'prevent' illness (which may contradict the previous sentence), it is often believed by those who do not vaccinate that this isn't the best or healthiest way to do so (and that the motives/intentions of big pharma are still at play), and that it instead invites other problems (such as a lowering of the body's own immune system, the introduction of toxins and harmful substances into the body, and chronic health issues down the line - resulting from the first two).

I'm speaking from a completely impartial standpoint, here - just trying to answer your question.

There are a few documentaries (citing studies) which I can point you in the direction of, if you want to know more about why people have this distrust towards big pharma/western medicine?

I have, to an extent, vaccinated my kids but not the flu vaccines and I have spaced them out.

I am always surprised at the lack of real research into the current vaccination schedule. It is asserted that it doesn’t matter if you vaccinate against 3 it 6 diseases at once. I simply don’t believe it as the body is mounting a defence against these diseases and of course there are subtle changes in the body.

My concern about the current vaccination schedule is partly due to the rise in allergies and sickness generally in the population as well as almost all forms of cancers. Probably multifactorial but who has discounted the multitude of vaccinations?

I do not think that pharmaceutical companies are subject to sufficient rigour in their testing. People of mumsnet will, literally, scream for “peer reviewed studies” as if a gold standard of absolute safety. This is laughable and peer reviewed often doesn’t mean a lot.

In the vet world there are sensible discussions about vaccines and yet this same discussion in humans is ridiculed.

@Wormysquirmy well said!

Selfishness? Stupidity? Lack of accurate medical information?

Longgone
Not well said at all, its just usual antivax trope to say "look at me im clever"

There is no mechanism to link a rise in allergies with vaccines, and what evidence is there that there is a rise in cancer.
Do laymen really know what testing goes into vaccines, or what "big pharma" is subjected to.

There is NOT a rise in cancer. There isn’t a rise in autism either. In both cases what there has been a rise in is our abilities to diagnose early, thus the numbers go up because more cases are recognised not because more exist.

you are very wright! i posted a message before which was removed from some reason i cannot understand..we ordinary people do not understand medical terminology and written theses by doctors who study vaccines I dont understand these either but there is someone who has made 20 short movies about what happens with newborn brain when it gets so many poisoning substances like formaldehyd or heavy metal not saying about aborted cells used to create vaccines (theses cells cause that your child gets someone else's DNA, other people DNA, DNA from a child with down syndrome or having any other dissability)

I mean, the anti=-vaxxers just sound sooo intelligent, I don't know how you can't believe them.

For anyone worried (most of us were) just look at the level of literacy and reason behind the two opposing viewpoints.

I think it will rather rapidly become clear which is the rational, sane approach to parenting.