Why would you not vaccinate?

[lizzlebizzle33]

Has anybody decided against vaccinations for their children? If so what were your reasons?

This thread makes me sad for the human race, and sad for people who will read it and develop a twinge of doubt about vaccines.

Its a dangerous thread and I hope mums net pulls it.

Good lord sofa! We should shut down debate about anything contentious? Are you from a communist society?!

We must ask why children are less healthy and must consider it further, and if it’s not vaccines them great and if it is, we can try to figure a way to protect the immune system.

We may even end up giving probiotics to newborns with bacteria derived from raw milk and dung!

But this isn't debate, this is mostly a bunch of ill informed people with no research experience throwing around opinions.

I’m not sure what to say to you other than many of us like to discuss vaccines and find it problematic, even if we have vaccinated. I have a science degree and am far more informed than my GP.

If you are completely happy with the current vaccination schedule then you don’t need to be here. Shutting down all debate, however, is unhelpful and just leads to greater suspicion.

"We must ask why children are less healthy and must consider it further"

Don't we need to start with "whether" rather than "why"?

Glasgow your post from 7.58 is an interesting one and a good example of proper debate. There are surely many reasons we see a rise in various conditions. Lower child mortality will surely be part of it but that doesn’t rule out vaccines, pollution, food fashions - as you say. One difficulty is these factors are hard to separate.

I’m completely on board with questioning vaccine schedules, especially when new vaccines are rolled out very quickly.

However ‘we have vaccines now and more allergies now, therefore one caused the other’ is not debate. This is shit science.

Don’t you also need to consider the likelihood of developing an autoimmune condition from contracting the disease alongside the risk from the immune response to the vaccine?

If the risk of developing an autoimmune disease is lower with a vaccine than from developing the disease then vaccinating might still be the safest option. Although obviously if you suspect your child might be susceptible the lowest risk would be not vaccinating in a society where everyone else does so they’re unlikely to come into contact with the disease in question.

I have a science degree and am far more informed than my GP.

And your GP of course doesn't have a science degree?!

“I have a science degree“

Is it in immunology? Medicine? Biomedical sciences?

weaning and allergies

SAEs reported among pregnant women following immunisation in 793 pregnant women vaccinated with Tdap

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4838681/table/BMJOPEN2015010911TB6/

That is a meaningless figure Nbroots. Do you understand what that table is? It is temperol events that happened after the vaccine, it does not mean they are caused by the vaccine.

How many SAES are there in women who werent vaccinated?

Has the rate of SAEs gone up since they started vaccinating pregnant women? doesnt look like it

why children are less healthy

ARE children less healthy now?

Or are fewer dead, fewer very sick from short-lived but very nasty infectious illnesses, and more being accurately diagnosed (rather than 'weak chest / sickly / delicate')?

I did the first ones in newborn but I didn't do the one year ones and solely because my PND and anxiety was really bad and I'd gotten into a real mess about what I'd read about it 😫 I feel guilty now though and considering doing it but she's 18months old now and I'm terrified of the rude receptionist at my doctors giving me grief ,She's so rude and has so many complaints. She practically yelled at me when I ran out of anti depressants and hadn't realised honest mistake ! disclosing my personal (sensitive) information to the whole waiting room. As well as other incidents. I was mortified

Don't feel guilty its fine to catch her up now youre ready.
That receptionist needs another complaint. Is there another gp thats close enough to change to or can someone go with you or go in your place so you don't have to deal with her.

@FrizzyNoodles I think I'll ask my partner to take her ,I've tried to change doctors solely because of the receptionist but there's no space unless I travel really far

If you google your area and PALS it stands for patient advice and liaison service there should be an email address you can use to tell them how she treated you

I've not let it be suppressed by jabs making their immune system lazy by sparking off something.

This is seriously meant to be an informed and reasoned argument?

Maybe the best thing we could do to improve vaccination uptake is ensure that every school pupil is taught some basic facts about the immune system and how immunity is developed.

If only I had known that a good diet and some vitamin C would’ve stopped my daughter contracting meningitis. Silly me.

Hi there!
I am writing my dissertation on the topic of vaccines! Would it be possible to have a quick chat with you, completely anonymous? @lizzlebizzle33 @auntlydia?