Why would you not vaccinate?

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Has anybody decided against vaccinations for their children? If so what were your reasons?

This is exactly how misinformation is spread RoseAndRose.
Aluminium is INJECTED not ingested. Big difference! By a child's first year of life they have 4,435 mcg of aluminium INJECTED into their body through vaccines ( that info can be calculated by reading all the package inserts) Ingested aluminium is excreted much more easily. 0.2-1.5 % is absorbed if ingested (and that is only if you have normal kidney function) yet injected aluminium is absorbed 100% . The whole point of having it in there in the first place is to set off an immune reaction. Without it the vaccine wouldn't have the same effect.
An Infants kidney function does not function at the same level as an adult so cannot excrete aluminium very well at all. Another thing about ingested aluminium is that natural forms are found along with Silica. Silica binds to it and helps the elimination process. No silica is found in medical grade aluminium salts.

That looks like a lot but its 0.005g which is a tiny amount.

What do you do if you need surgery? Do you refuse it completely or have it without anaesthetic? It wouldnt make sense that people would risk their children getting diseases that they could prevent but then accept general anaesthetic for themselves but i also cant imagine a surgeon agreeing to their patient just having something to bite on.

General anaesthetic to save a life from a car crash etc is a lot different to non mandatory vaccines which aren't 100% proven to work.
No vaccine works 100% and anyone who says it does is a damn liar. The flu jab for example. 10% effective and its now been proven a lot of the people who've had Australian Flu had the flu vaccine and they were more vulnerable. The Australian flu was a mutation from the flu vaccine.
There have been studies anyway on measles where not only having it makes you immune for life, but can also protect from some cancers. I'd rather my child have something that wouldn't be so bad than a vaccine pumped with bad metals and toxins making her more ill and trigger off things that are life threatening anyway for no gaurenteed immunity.
For some, the risks outweigh the 'benefits'.

Gigimoll

Vaccines are not full of "bad metals and toxins"

Nonsense nroots

"Aluminum is a ubiquitous element that is released naturally into the environment via volcanic activity and the breakdown of rocks on the earth's surface. Exposure of the general population to aluminum occurs primarily through the consumption of food, antacids, and buffered analgesics. Exposure to aluminum in the general population can also occur through vaccination, since vaccines often contain aluminum salts (frequently aluminum hydroxide or aluminum phosphate) as adjuvants. Because concerns have been expressed by the public that aluminum in vaccines may pose a risk to infants, we developed an up-to-date analysis of the safety of aluminum adjuvants. Keith et al. [1] previously analyzed the pharmacokinetics of aluminum for infant dietary and vaccine exposures and compared the resulting body burdens to those based on the minimal risk levels (MRLs) established by the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry. We updated the analysis of Keith et al. [1] with a current pediatric vaccination schedule [2]; baseline aluminum levels at birth; an aluminum retention function that reflects changing glomerular filtration rates in infants; an adjustment for the kinetics of aluminum efflux at the site of injection; contemporaneous MRLs; and the most recent infant body weight data for children 0–60 months of age [3]. Using these updated parameters we found that the body burden of aluminum from vaccines and diet throughout an infant's first year of life is significantly less than the corresponding safe body burden of aluminum modeled using the regulatory MRL. We conclude that episodic exposures to vaccines that contain aluminum adjuvant continue to be extremely low risk to infants and that the benefits of using vaccines containing aluminum adjuvant outweigh any theoretical concerns."

Bruffin.. Um have you read the inserts?
So formaldehyde, foetal cells, Mercury, aluminium aren't toxins and metals even listed in the inserts under ingredients?

"Aluminium is INJECTED not ingested. Big difference!"

There is indeed a big difference between injection and injection.

People will ingest aluminium (because it is in the water supply and hence the food chain). They may also have an extremely small amount injected in certain immunisations.

The amounts ingested are many times greater than that in vaccines. To deny that suggests you are not prepared to accept evidence.

No one says that vaccines are 100% - in some people they do not 'take', in others the effect wears off much more quickly than the norm (only some provide enduring immunity). The flu jab is always based in a prediction, and there is wide epidemiological discussion on why sometimes the predictions are better than others.

The only thing that is consistently said is that the risks of vaccines are lower than the risks from the diseases themselves. Not that vaccines are risk-free. So if you are concerned about achieving the fewest impairments in children (the whole range, from death to less obvious), then vaccination is the route most likely to achieve that.

There really isn't any difference in how the body metabolises aluminium, however it enters the body. By the time it reaches the kidneys (which appears to be your concern) it has passed either through the GI tract to the bloodstream, or has gone directly into the bloodstream. There really is no difference once in the blood, because the kidneys don't 'know' how it got there, they just keep filtering.

Formahadahyde is natural occuring in the body, and you consume metcury and aluminium every day. Its the dose that maketh the poison.

The cancer research website says that the cancer was treated with a large dose of the measles vaccine. I had to look because i was expecting it to be one of the cancers that happen in old age.

The flu jab is the least effective because it changes so quickly but its still worth getting. Any protection is better than none and anecdotally I have been in contact with a lot of people who have been ill for weeks and I've been fine.

I disagree personally but you do you, I'll do me. Like I've said before, we're doing what we think is best for our children but I definitely think genetic health must come into play before we make the decisions and our own research through doctors etc should also be something as parents we look into before we agree to it. Just because someone tells you something is safe, doesn't always mean it is and it doesn't mean it is for your particular child. The injuries and deaths do happen more often than people think. I find it ludicrous that people look into what they're eating in terms of levels of salt and not what's going into such a tiny babies body. But that's just me. I think it's good to be informed but I'm the sort of person who likes the least amount of medical intervention possible as I've seen all too well what medication can do when it backfires.

Skim-read the thread, but I think it can be summarised thusly:

Q. Why would you not vaccinate?
A. Because you are a moron.

That's too harsh, BossWatch

If there are genetic factors, as the poster immediately before says, those should be properly discussed with a consultant, and in such cases an amended schedule and the omission of some jabs will be recommended. There will always be some people who cannot receive some vaccinations safely.

But for most people, the immunisations are way, way safer than the disease. People tend to forget how severe these diseases can be - even when they cause baby deaths in outbreaks here.

FrizzyNoodles - Your point is? How much wasp or bee venom does it take to cause an anaphylactic reaction in a human ? Bee venom is 50 mcg and wasp venom is 2 mcg...

The point of bee and wasp stings is to protect the bees and wasps. The point of vaccines is to protect us.
They can cause an allergic reaction but its very rare and you're at the surgery if it happens. If i had a serious reaction to a jab i would think twice before getting more and the same for my dd but as it is we're up to date, we're protected for our benefit and also for the benefit of people who can't or won't have jabs themselves.

Does anyone who objects to vaccines, because of the inclusion of mercury, eat fish?

BossWitch

I'm a moron for not wanting to watch one of my dc die as a consequence of an allergic reaction? Gee thanks!

I don't see protection bring a doctor with no clue of a families genetic health or even what the child's allergies are injecting something that can be fatal. It seems a bit ignorant to me. (££)
I think the silliness and ignorance lies in the fact the parents take a blind eye cause a doctor said it was okay. Many anti vaxxers and ex vaxxers who have seen had or lost a child due to injury. A vaccine isn't a magical potion. Like all medication it can come with some very viscous side effects.
I feel its our duty as parents to look into these things. If your child was allergic to paracetamol you wouldn't give them calpol, so why anything else when they're so tiny?

I did not have BCG or smallpox vaccinations as our GP advised against them due to serious allergies in our family. Smallpox vaccination was often avoided due to the nasty mark it left on your arm. Interestingly the disease was eradicated despite deficiencies in take up.

My mother has sight damaged by measles as a baby and my father had horrendous memories of being in an isolation hospital with diphtheria as a child with some sort of tracheotomy to enable him to breathe. DH had polio as a young child, fortunately no lasting effects.
These diseases were really quite common up to the 1950's. I made sure my sons had most of the vaccinations they were offered, but not BCG due to the allergies continuing in the family.

i just find it strange that counties that don't vaccinate have much lower cases of SIDS than countries that do .. but i suppose that's some kind of magic coincidence

Forevertired

Where do you get that information from,.
There is a lot of misinformation that there was no more SIDs in Japan after the temporarily stopped dtd then moved it to 2 years old.
In reality Sids was still happening and then babies started dying of whooping cough as well

Forevertired2
I'm a firm believer sids is vaccine related through and through. The peak times for sids are too coincidental around the Vaccine schedule. I've done things with my daughter which are considered sids risks and she's fine. It's the only thing that worked for her. Perhaps we're just lucky as well as cautious. But I believe sids is what people blame vaccine related death on.

Gigimoll, see what happened in Japan, SIDs is not vaccine related. No evidence at all

There is also a very dodgy bit of research by Miller. One of the problems in that one is that every country qualifies stillbirth etc differently and they included deaths of children that died at birth in countries in their figures.