Why would you not vaccinate?

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Has anybody decided against vaccinations for their children? If so what were your reasons?

Shes educated and she has books to sell. She preys on people's fears and relies on their lack of medical knowledge.

www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/nick-catone-son-dies-tragically-blaming-vaccines/

Wow this thread is depressing.

I’m going to hide this thread now. Some of the ignorance is just too depressing.

If your child dies or is seriously ill, the need to know ‘why’ can be almost overwhelming. You need something to which you can ascribe blame. Quacks suggesting vaccination to sell their books are praying on the vulnerable. Before the current vaccine regimen, ‘shaken baby’ syndrome was the death explanation du jour. Once people realise it’s not vaccines, they’ll find something else to blame.

So you think Suzanne Humphries makes lots of money from book sales? Hahaaha.. Wow if it anti-vaccination is that lucrative ill write one myself!
Go on then dispute her findings... If you thinks she's nuts show me the evidence?

"I just find it strange that counties that don't vaccinate have much lower cases of SIDS than countries that do .. but i suppose that's some kind of magic coincidence"

Yes. Because all the evidence shows that vaccinated children in UK have a lower risk of SIDS than unvaccinated. And that is comparing within a relatively cohesive country.

When you start looking internationally, you have all sorts of counfounders, not least different standards of recording on death certificates.

"You can't be so ignorant to turn a blind eye to them. They happen. It's not a random thing. It's very common. It's very disrespectful to a parent who has lost a child to them"

I strongly agree with this. And think it applies equally to the considerably larger group of parents whose children died from (preventable) disease.

fenella
It is disgusting that vulnerablevpeople are prayed on.
They also go through fads
It was the dtd, then it was mmr, then it was mercury, then it was aluminium.
Money and time are constantly wasted having disprove nonsense spread round the internet etc which vould bevspent on better and new vaccines.

It's both isn't it? You can neither win or loose in this argument. We as parents are going on our better judgements. I think however its incredibly important to look up yourself and ask a doctor that gives a shit and who'll show you the inserts (mine refused) and make the decision for yourself for your own child. Taking into account health and genetics because a doctor won't be arsed to look that up really. My doctor was completely unaware that my partners mom died from MS that she had developed from measles they think. She had the jab too. It's severely hit and miss. I think it's okay to politely share opinions. I do not think it's okay to dismiss someone though who's had a terrible experience with them with this own child. I'm pretty sure that parent knows what's happened to their own children. I think it's best going back to OPs original question to research for yourself. Ask your doctor who will give you honest opinions and make it for yourself

It's not disproved evidence. If it's listen on the inserts of the Vaccine, it's right. It isn't misinformation. What's misinformation is ignorantly saying its safe for all children. Which isn't the case. They kill. They harm. Some do nothing and the kids are fine. It is a depressing topic. But I think people need to be made aware that these things do happen. We aren't sat in tin foil hats thinking the earth is flat and thinking how marvellous itd be to not protect our children.

Some parents can allow themselves the luxury of not vaccinating because they know the vast majority do. If everyone took their view we'd be turning the clock back to pre-vaccine days when preventable childhood diseases killed thousands. Then those same parents would no doubt be queuing up for something to protect their little darlings.

Gigimoll

Of course its misinformation painting the ingredients as dangerius, when there is no evidence that the dose is a problem and they are naturally occurring substances in the body or are in all our food and even breastmilk. Babies are born with a body burden of aluminium from their mothers diet.

this was a family who thought like you

counties that don't vaccinate have much lower cases of SIDS than countries that do - which countries that do not vaccinate are you referring to?

Thank you nbroots. Just got to accept that we can't change these people's minds. There's a difference between natural things in the body and then putting more artificial things in the body.

flippy - **

1. Vaccines don't cause autism

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1. Autism isn't worse than your child dying from a vaccine preventable disease anyway*

THIS!!! My good god this a thousand times! I wish MN had a like button

vaccines can cause encephalitis which lead to autism.. Look up Hannah Polling and Jackie Fletcher. Both were awarded compensation for vaccine damage. Both children ended up with autism

Robert Fletcher had an underlying problem and did not have autism, same Hannah Poling,

Both of them had conditions that would have affected by a fever caused any fever not just vaccine.
Hannah poling was paid out under a table injury for having a fever within a time frame from having the vaccine.
Robert fletcher had a febrile convulsion 10 days after having mmr, the neurologist on the panal said the subsequent epilepsy would have happened anyway.

I am also interested to know which countries don't vaccinate and don't have SIDS. No one claims that vaccines are 100% safe - no one claims any medicine or treatment is 100% safe. But people perpetuating the myth of the MMR and autism are doing harm - they are putting the children who aren't vaccinated as a result at risk, they are putting the children who can't be vaccinated for medical reasons (eg allergies) and those who are immunosuppressed at risk and they are diverting funds, research and expertise away from finding what does cause autism. The research is there and there is no link.

Omg. This thread. I salute the brave souls (go bruffin).

I wonder whether posters such as gigimoll and nbroots also take a similar approach to cars, aerospace, engineering.

Because I do AND SO SHOULD YOU!

I mean why would the conspiracy stop at vaccines? Why trust your car or refrigerator to function? I personally read up on the physics of flight before taking my children on a plane.

Know better, do better, judge better

@hystericaluterus
I agree. And your clothes? I mean, they are DEFINITELY part of some government conspiracy to strangle you in your sleep.

And i think my microwave is sending messages about me, so I've just taken it out the back and set fire to it, as a precaution.

Excuse me? I am. I know what's good for my child. So back off. It really fucks me off when people bash anti vax parents and they act so smug like they know everything because of what a doctor told them. I personally see if as ignorant if you look more into what you're eating in terms of sugar content than what's being Injected into a tiny child.
You applaud yourselves. But me and nbroots known fully well what we're doing and what we know and believe is best for our children.

A vaccine won't go anywhere near my children. An I'm happy about it.

We're agreeing with you! In fact we think you should apply this critical thinking to other parts of your life. Go for it - QUESTION EVERYTHING!
What does the council know about rubbish collection? Where are they taking it? Are they spying on you? Probably. I'd nip that in the bud, for the sake of your kids.

@Gigimoll

In all seriousness, you are free to make the parenting choices that you wish. That’s your right. Go for it (slight caveat though that your choice affects other parents’ children, but never mind)

It’s my right to think the basis of ‘knowledge’ on which you make these choices is unfounded. And not because I simply believe what my doctor tells me. It’s because I believe in science and the scientific process of peer review for example. It does not get it right all the time and there are corrections to be made at times, but all in all I trust that.

We all try and do what’s best for our children. The difference between you and me is that I don’t have the arrogance to assume that reading stuff on the internet makes me more ‘informed’ than the absolute overwhelming majority of scientists and doctors.