Cow milk and pus.

[Spidermama]

Google 'cow milk pus'.
I dare you.

Milk is NOT all its cracked up to be. It's time we took this seriously.

Also I'm seeing more and more evidence to back up my hunch that the onset of my ds's type 1 diabetes is linked to his dairy intolerance.

It's time we woke up to the white stuff. Most people are in denial and won't even consider that it could be anything but a good wholesome drink.

Take your pick.

I agree.........

Psml

I recall being alerted to this on MN a while back.

Milk.

Bleurrghhhhhh!

It's a load of crap. These are extreme vegan websites with a highly political stance. They are nothign to do with nutrition and all to do with animal rights. This isn't information, it's propaganda. It simply isn't true.

oh bollocks, spidermama. that would apply equally to any other milk including breast milk. and lots of those links have stuff on them that simply isn't true too.

if you're vegan then fine, but otherwise there's nowt wrong with milk.

Of course it wouldn't apply to breastmilk senora so bollocks to you. Unless everyone with BM is being forced to make many times more than they need, prevented from feeding on demand and has awful mastitis.

You need to make some discoveries and open your mind girl.

And I'm not vegan.

This is a more balanced report:
less hysterical feature

These anti-milk sites are run by the kind of people who call farming a 'holocaust', your pet cat a 'slave' and dig up the corpses of old ladies because their relatives raise rats for medical testing.

Sorrell I didn't notice anything 'hysterical' about any of the other pieces of research. Exactly which piece of research do you deem to be hysterical?

Oh you know, milk is full of pus, milk is the sole cause of breast cancer...that kind of thing.

ok I just read the bit about pus, which does apply to breastmilk. I skim read some of them, but didn't get very far past "milk contains growth hormones..." - not in europe it doesn't. and people can tandem feed fine: don't see what's so wrong about producing far more milk than you need.

as sorrell says, this is propaganda. now I'm prepared to look at any balanced article about milk and cruelty to cows, but if I am convinced I will campain for changes in the dairy farming laws, not witter on about how evil milk is.

Oh yes, and 'milk is a deadly poison'

Propaganda senora?
Nothing like as powerful as the propaganda from your side of the fence though is it. The difference is, your milky mates stand to make money from selling the stuff. What do the vegans and anti milk researchers do it for?

Engage your brain. I don't understand how intelligent people insist on being so willfully ignorant.

Its the same old thing - every so often a group of people translate their own beliefs into 'fact' and try and whip up hysteria. Its also a cycle of this week this food is bad for you - next week it will be something else. Once upon a time red meat was good for you as it was full of iron etc, then it was bad cause it caused heart attacks. What are you going to give your children instead to ensure they get the correct amt of calcium/vitamins etc each week spidermama?

I don't have any milky friends, thankyou.

and just because the motive isn't money doesn't mean it's not propaganda. I simply don't see how else you can describe some of the statements on those websites. Like I say, I'm open to genuine debate, but stuff about how all babies should be given soya formula if not breastfed is not on;ly bollocks, but is dangerous bollocks.

Air pie and windy pudding although next week that will probably be bad for everyone too. Sorry to jump in on this thread but having read the articles it just seems to be another 'food scare.' If that causes people to jump down my throat then so be it.

at air pie and windy pudding. that's a great expression.

It seems like the only food we are 'allowed' to eat these days!

psml at 'milky friends'

Milk is bloody creepy.
Can just about tolerate a splash of organic in tea and coffee.

Counto10 you are so naive if you believe that milk is the only sort of calcium. You also probably haven't bothered to read anything whatsoever on the other side of the argument.

I haven't the time or inclination to start from scratch educating people like you.

Don't worry b&t'smum. No-one will jump down your throat. You're on the winning side. IME people don't want to know the truth about milk. It's a form of madness and if you could all see yourselves my how you'd laugh. Or possibly cry.

It is indeed 'bloody' too moondog. You're correct.

This is from Dr Sears... funny how white blood cells are so disgusting in cow's milk but so great in breastmilk eh? Or is breastmilk 'full of pus' too? Really, it is propaganda from people who have a very radical animal rights agenda. I am sure there are many problems around the humane production of milk which are worthy of serious consideration, and I can even see the vegan point of view. But these sites lie or are at the very least highly selective in their presentation of scientific evidence for reasons that are nothing to do with nutrition.

HOW HUMAN MILK PROTECTS FROM ILLNESS
Human milk is more than food. It's a complex living substance, like blood, with a long list of active germ-fighting and health-promoting ingredients. These help protect babies against all kinds of infections, common and not-so-common.

A drop of breastmilk contains around one million white blood cells. These cells, called macrophages ("big eaters"), gobble up germs.

Winning side?? I wasn't aware I was taking sides? Oh well back to my windy pudding mmmmmmmmmmmm so tasty

The reason these anti-milk sites exist is that they are from the very extreme end of the animal liberation movement. As I said earlier, these people refer to farming as a 'holocaust' and domestic pets as 'slaves', which some people might find deeply offensive. They are extremely passionate about their cause, and quite willing to distort the truth to pursue it. This stuff simply isn't true - and that goes double for the UK, where rules and farming methods are different to the US where most of this stuff originates.

I'd take your arguments more seriously if you were vegan, actually spidermama. but evidently you are prepared to put up with the barbarity that is the poultry industry, but not the dairy industry (and yes, some of the free range sector could be described as barbaric). maybe it's just that hens have fewer friends.

You are correct that it is possible to have a calcium rich diet with no diary, but it's bloody hard work for most people.