Cow milk and pus.

[Spidermama]

Google 'cow milk pus'.
I dare you.

Milk is NOT all its cracked up to be. It's time we took this seriously.

Also I'm seeing more and more evidence to back up my hunch that the onset of my ds's type 1 diabetes is linked to his dairy intolerance.

It's time we woke up to the white stuff. Most people are in denial and won't even consider that it could be anything but a good wholesome drink.

Take your pick.

Yes! That's it! I'm a crazed cow-hater! Of course. Thanks for pointing out my true motivation. And I obviously work for the milk marketing board too.
I couldn't just actually think, after a fair amount of research into the relevant organisations and looking up proper scientific studies, that the Not Milk and Peta sites are full of lies and misinformation, eh? No, that would be too sensible.
These sites are not about nutrition, science or trying to support the lactose intolerant. They are radical sites by animal liberation activists. But if you choose to believe differently, and to ignore any amount of science, that's entirely your prerogative.
I can keep saying that I don't much care for milk, that I can understand the vegan point of view, that there are many aspects of the dairy industry that you might find inhumane and that some people are lactose intolerant until I am blue in the face to no effect. Ho hum.

Actually, this is too ludicrous for words.

Correction: ALL dairy farming is immoral, from cows being exhausted through an intensive cycle of pregnancy and lactation, having their babies taken (generally either to be shot or raised for veal, which means malnutrition as they must be anaemic), being given stuff to make them produce unnatural amounts of milk - it is this which stretches their udders so they are at risk of standing on them and tearing them - and when they are worn out after 3-5 years they are sent for slaughter. Don't get me started on abbatoir conditions...

Sorrell, I did say I was too tired to argue with style.

You may well think that, and I - to your surprise - may well agree with quite a lot of it, but that does not mean that milk is a 'deadly poison', or anything like it. These sites purport to tell the truth about milk and health, but they don't.

Ah, the health issues are another matter. I personally believe that cow milk is not good for people. Apart from links with osteoporosis, heart disease and other illnesses, it is just too rich and fatty - designed to nourish young cattle through calfhood. Healthwise, it may not have been such a problem when people were more energetic, worked harder and didn't have central heating. These days, when people in general exercise so little it is just excessive and inappropriate nutrition.

I only buy organic milk and the standards are very different to those of non-organic farms, and particularly different to US farms where regulation is far less strict. Organic cows are worked much less hard, are healthier, the calves are raised on milk and they are kept in herds etc.
If you are vegetarian or vegan you clearly won't like the fact that male calves are raised for beef, but I eat beef, so I clearly don't feel the same way. I prefer my meat to be raised humanely though.
I disagree that milk is a cause of osteoporosis (quite the contrary) or of heart disease. And milk need not be fatty.

Sorrell, I don't know if you're still there but I'm off to bed. Just so you don't think I'm being anti-social

Okay, just one more post...
Yes, organic is better but it's not perfect. Standards vary. We eat organic but no animal bits. Now I must go to bed! My children's internal alarm clocks go off very early in the holidays.

Jeez, me too. One correction, I do not believe that lower-fat milk contributes to heart disease. Drinking gallons of full-cream may do so. All things in moderation, eh?

Do you mind if I join? I had goat's milk from early age for excema...it worked wonders.

Morning all.
Great posts tooticky and fistfull.

People have been trying to seperate the animal rights and the nutrition into two completely different arguments. I think both are inherently linked. Up to now I've argued purely on nutrition grounds but actually it makes sense to look at the holistic picture. (I'm aware of how many people I've just alienated simply by using the'h' word by the way ).

We know, for exampole, that if we're very upset or distressed this comes through in the breast milk for our children. The same will be true of cow milk. They've been seperated from their young, forced to produce unnatural amounts of milk and milked when it's convenient for the farmer, trampling on their udders all the way to the milk shed. Hmmmm!

In the same way I'd like to eat vegetables from rich soil, well tended, unfettered by weird chemicals which are necessary for mass production.
It's better for you and it tastes better. I also feel better about buying it because it has less harmful impact on our environment.

All these things are linked.

Ah bloody hell. It's milk.

What's the world coming to?

It'll be no air next.

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Crikey a milk thread without the mention of Heather Mills. Well done ladies

My lot drink milk. I am prepared to accept that it's not as good as everyone believes. However given that I'd struggle to get them to eat in excess of 10 ounces of broccoli everyday or any of the other rather lovely calcium rich foods listed below, I'll take my chances. More pros than cons I think.

Calcium is present in more foods than you would think, and with calcium-enriched soya milk readily available it's easy-peasy (although my ds1 probably would eat 10oz of broccoli each day - he worships veg. My other 3 might struggle though...)

Milk is milk, we all know where it comes from, how it is farmed etc. If you want to drink it do, If you dont, dont. All information that is posted, peoples thoughts, oppinions and what they beleive is all information. At the end of the day all discussion is good, with out it we could not make informed decisions.

I was going to add that the only person I've ever seen bang on about cows milk having pus in it is dear ol' Heather Mills. Pseudo science and quackery combined is a dangerous mix.

So Meercat 'Pseudo science and quackery combined is a dangerous mix' is it?

And how safe is the unabashed ignorance and prejudice contained in your post?

Hello spidermama non-milky people unite!

Ds3 has the most limited and unhealthy diet of any child I know....there NO-WAY on earth any milk scare stories are going to stop me giving it too him.

I agree with dejags though....FGS it'll be air next

I haven't trawled through the whole thread but golly, I do love you Spidermama (were you drinking last night, at all? You were on particularly fine form even for you )