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Pt 8 (Oct13) Any old prolapse! Uterus/womb prolapse, rectocele, cystocele, enterocele, urethrocele, incontinence, pelvic floor, anterior and posterior repair, TVT etc

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Bladderama · 01/10/2013 18:12

Welcome to thread 8 (again - see below) of a long-running series of posts from ladies suffering from pelvic prolapses to support each other through the process of diagnosis, repair and recovery.

With apologies for confusion in thread numbers - an earlier thread was called part 7 but it was actually the 6th thread.

Here are the previous threads:

Thread 1
Thread 2
Thread 3
Thread 4
Thread 5
Thread 6
Thread 7

Info from BBC Health

What is a pelvic prolapse?

As the muscles, ligaments and supporting tissues in the pelvis become weaker, they are less able to hold in the organs of the pelvis such as the womb (uterus) or bladder.

Gravity pulls these organs down and, in the more severe cases, may appear through the entrance to the vagina.

A variety of problems can occur, depending on where the weakness lies and which organs are able to descend, but in every case there is some degree of prolapse of the vaginal wall, which begins to invert (rather like a sock turning inside out).
Prolapse of the womb or uterus is the most common prolapse, affecting as many as one in eight older women to some degree
Prolapse of the bladder, known as a cystocele, is less common.
Prolapse of the urethra (the tube that carries urine out of the bladder) is known as a urethrocele.
Prolapse of the intestines is quite rare, and known as an enterocele or rectocele.

Symptoms

Symptoms depend on which tissues descend, and how severe the prolapse is.

They may include:
A sense of heaviness or pressure in the pelvis.
The appearance of a bulge of tissue in the genital area, which can be quite alarming, and is often red and sore.
Urinary problems, such as having to urinate more frequently, feeling the need urgently, being incontinent (losing control of the bladder) or, conversely, being unable to pass urine when you need to.
Pain in the pelvis or lower back.
Sexual problems, including pain and decreased libido.
Constipation.
Vaginal discharge or bleeding.

Treatment and recovery

Once a prolapse has developed, surgery to fix the affected organs is usually the only way to cure it effectively.

However, another option is to use a device known as a vaginal ring pessary. This is rather like a contraceptive diaphragm or cervical cap. It's made of silicone or latex, and placed in the vagina to push back the prolapsed organs and hold them in place. Many women happily manage their prolapse this way.

OP posts:
mrsclairet · 29/10/2013 15:27

I am starting to feel a bit down about having another op, I really wanted it to be the only op I had and can't believe that I will be having another op only 9 months after the first. The only thing that's keeping me going is that I have no longer got a bulge so I don't feel it's completely failed. My poor DH, he is so good and doesn't complain but I think it must be hard for him. I'm also worried because it's not such a big op this time I won't get as much help..my in laws are away for about 6 weeks when I am due to have it and my sister is having her 2nd baby and is planning on having another caesarean so she will need help so it looks like I will have to rely on my DH getting a couple of weeks off.

I am also a bit worried as I'm planning to potty train my 3 year old next week and I don't want to have to lift him onto the toilet to do poos. I have got a step and a toilet seat, do you think he will be able to climb on himself? I thought about buying a ladder type thing you can attach to the toilet but they have not got very good reviews.

KookyKitty · 31/10/2013 11:34

Thanks for the advice, I really hope that I'm one of the lucky ones and things will get better given time.

I've read through the thread and I'm so shocked and saddened to hear of the experiences and problems some of you are having. It certainly puts mine in perspective.

Having said that I feel better knowing I'm not alone in going through this.

I saw the GP and she confirmed my bladder has prolapsed. She has referred me to the gynecologist so I'm hoping that they will be able to let me know exactly what my options are.

In the meantime I'm doing my keegals like crazy!

it's been getting worse the last few days. At least I think it has, it may just be in my head now I know there is definitely a problem. I'm hoping I can see the gynecologist soon so I can feel like I can start taking steps towards getting this sorted.

lotsofquestions000 · 31/10/2013 12:58

Feeling really cheesed off today! Cant seem to have a BM since yesterday despite high fibre, lactulose, movicol - what else can I do, feeling a bit bunged up Blush and a familiar fullness down below (although not quite in same place as before IYKWIM). So worried that this is going to strain stitches and make op not work Sad.
What sort of activity level should I be at now( 3wks). Have been walking slowly for about 30mins - and need to do something!!!! and hoped it would help with BM,s. Definitely feel I could do a lot more than I am doing?? Any guidance out there???

summertimeandthelivingiseasy · 31/10/2013 16:05

I found movicol 3x daily took about 2 1/2 days to work. Plenty of water and warm drinks and warm bath?

Bit of relaxation and visualisation.

Exercise-wise, plenty pottering. I must admit I was not walking 30mins a day as I had my op in January and was thwarted by the snow. Hope things improve soon.

MaccaPaccaismyNemesis · 31/10/2013 16:07

Hello all, a bit late but here at last Grin. Just to say that I finally had my surgery last week for the cystocele and the tvt tape for incontinence. I'm a bit sore but it's going well. Only 21 months after I first went to the gp Shock.

summertimeandthelivingiseasy · 31/10/2013 16:09

Also, I had a rectocele repair and things only work if I keep BM to Bristol Stool scale 4 +, otherwise familiar feeliings come back.
foodhospital.channel4.com/fibre-challenge/stool-chart/

Also, practise pelvic floor relaxation and put feet on a box when on loo. Have you tried glycerine suppositories?

I have kiwi fruit and crushed linseed on my porridge for breakfast and have to resort to movicol if my hormones are playing up (progesterone slows down smooth muscle, ie intestines, and I blame that for many of my woes!)

jackurbody · 31/10/2013 23:30

I am a newbie, just wanted to say that I am 4 weeks post op from a posterior colpolphorry to repair a rectocele. Have had very little pain and only minor discomfort, and apart from the first week or so when I was really tired, have felt really quite well considering! !
Just wanted to reassure anyone thinking of having the op, that even though you will hear some negatives I am very happy so far.

Alis115 · 01/11/2013 09:36

Three weeks ago today I had a sacrocolpexy and a posterior repair for a rectocele and cystocele. I was in hospital for three days post op at my request.
So far things are going well but I am able to take things very easy thanks to my husband. I am still taking paracetamol and ibuprofen regularly everyday but the pain is lessening. Have been out in the car a couple of times (not driving myself) it was ok but not very comfortable. Resting a lot but have cooked a couple of "throw in the pot" meals and put washing in the machine. I am 65. Hope this gives confidence to anyone who is fearful, I feel my op has been successful but still need to take it easy. Was advised 6/8 weeks.

lotsofquestions000 · 01/11/2013 09:56

thanks all. Feel a little disappointed about the seemingly ongoing management of BMs I had naively?? thought that once the healing phase was over I would just be able to go back to 'normal'. I generally have a good bowel and even with the rectocele I only had to splint to rid myself of the last bit - sorry TMI. But with me things go on strike as soon as there is a bit of anxiety which there is quite a lot of at the moment (although have managed to go today so feeling relieved - in so many ways!!!)
Getting cheesed of with DH at mo - had row last night because he is basically doing most of the chores (ie my normal life!!!!) and I think he thinks Im shirking when I keep going and sitting down because I feel ok no pain or discomfort. It doesn't help that he hasn't really asked what they did and I don't want to go into too much detail about it all because he is very sqeemish and not all that clued up on womens anatomy, and I don't want it to put him off me! but the trouble is that he then doesn't really get the whole thing about resting, not lifting. A throw away comment he made when I was about 1.5wks post of 'its only being a few more days and then the 2wks will be up' is a clue!! I pointed out then that the recovery was 6wks!!! and I was signed off work until then for a reason!
Sorry for the moan but as all you ladies on here know these are things that you just don't want to talk to anybody in RL about and when people ask how I am I just say 'fine' when really emotionally I feel worried it wont work, anxious of what I should/shouldn't be doing and if it will make things worse - not to mention highly embarrassed by the whole thing.

BitsinTatters · 01/11/2013 14:38

Can I say hello

I'm 26 and this morning was refered to the gynea with a rectocele. I'm stumped as to what happens from here. I've had 3 vaginal births and my bits are in tatters.

MaccaPaccaismyNemesis · 01/11/2013 16:59

Hello bits. The first thing that happened for me was that the gynaecology consultant saw me and assessed the prolapse. Because I had stress incontinence and a weak pelvic floor he referred me to physio- I can do a great kegel now! That didn't work so referred back and put on the waiting list for surgery. 16 weeks later I've had the procedure and am now recovering at home. 6-12 weeks recovery with no lifting, pushing, pulling, squatting. The list goes on. My prolapse is fixed so I don't care about it. I do miss picking up my little boy but not the hoovering or washing Grin.

MaccaPaccaismyNemesis · 01/11/2013 17:00

To put a timescale. I first saw the consultant in March 2012 and had the surgery on the 23rd October 2013.

BitsinTatters · 01/11/2013 18:28

If you repaired, can you have more children?

I don't think I'm done. We would like another ... But I can't go on like this. I can't have a poo without "helping" if that makes sense and i have very little sensation that I need to poo until I have to go to the toilet NOW.

The GP didn't examine me as I was crying too much.

I do some times leak urine - while running etc and coughing and sneezing but mainly it's the bowel bulging into my vagina that's most upsetting. I now feel like the front of my vaginal wall has slipped down into the opening if that makes sense ?

MaccaPaccaismyNemesis · 01/11/2013 18:47

I am planning on having another child, next year if I am fortunate enough to get pregnant. My consultant advised that I should have a c-section. I will say that you have to get used to being examined and that being embarrassed is detrimental. I've shown my fanny to so many people it's worrying how little I care about it these days!

LovesBeingHereAgain · 01/11/2013 18:53

I think the they like you to not want more dc as tge pressure/risk if relapse is high.

MaccaPaccaismyNemesis · 01/11/2013 18:56

Maybe the different consultants have differing ideas? I made it very clear we want another child, and at my pre-op asked when, he said a few months after but I'm planning on at least 6 months before we try. Need to give my body a bit of time off.

jackurbody · 01/11/2013 22:42

HI, had a posterior colpolphorry 4 1/2 weeks ago, have had hardly any pain just a bit of aching if I overdo it, would defo recommend. Not used it yet, but will keep you informed!!!
So far so good. Xx

lotsofquestions000 · 02/11/2013 19:03

Hi Bits and welcome but sorry you are here Sad. I cant really comment on whether they will do surgery if you want another baby but Im sure they would recommend a CS if you did.
If you want to know anything about they surgery feel free to ask I am 3wks post rectocele surgery so still have concerns and wariness as to whether it has worked. It all looks different (better) than before but I am scared I will accidently undo the good work but that is a different story.
The surgery itself wasn't half as bad as I imagined, like you are feeling its to total humiliation of it all but I think when you get to the hospital stage you feel better cos you know they deal with this sort of thing all the time.
I made friends with a women in hospital who had had the front fixed and she hardly had any pain at all and said she immediately felt so much better. The posterior is more painful but relatively shortlived (for me anyway) and painkillers do sort out the worst of it.

LovesBeingHereAgain · 02/11/2013 21:46

lotsofquestions000 thank you, tgat is tge most positive update I've seen. I've got a rectocele and am scared shitless by tge thought of having it repaired. Have a horrible cold so lots of sneezing and coughs and am so worried about pushing myself into a worse state.

lotsofquestions000 · 04/11/2013 09:40

loves my pleasure - I will continue to update with my progress/recovery. Im at the stage now where I am wondering what activity is too much? and worrying about getting extra blobby pre xmas Smile. Maybe I should just resign myself to it then in Jan when I should be more back to normal start a new (PF friendly) exercise routine!

curlyclaz13 · 04/11/2013 16:21

I have an appointment tomorrow to have a pessary fitted, not looking forward to it and the nurse is a family friendBlush .OH has had a look for the first time and told me I am silly for worrying what he would think.

izzybizzybuzzybees · 04/11/2013 22:18

I've got my preop appointment tomorrow. What should I expect?

Mrsbapandbabies · 04/11/2013 23:38

In terms of time scales Bits I was referred last year for physio for my rectocele which didn't help and I left it to see if it would improve. It didn't so I saw my GP last Monday and she referred me to the gynaecologist. I got my choose and book letter this morning and have promptly booked myself in to my local private hospital to see a consultant in 3 weeks! Hopefully you'll get a speedy referral too and you'll get the answers your looking for x

izzybizzybuzzybees · 05/11/2013 00:06

bits I think it depends where in the country you are. I saw consultant in February this year for the first time and had a date for surgery within 4 weeks however I was BF my son who was only 4 months so held off. Waiting time in Scotland is 4-6 weeks at present. I've been told by my consultant he wouldn't operate unless our family was complete bit my problems are further exacerbated by hypermobility syndrome. My friend was advised a c section would be advisable.

LovesBeingHereAgain · 05/11/2013 06:06

lotsofquestions000 Wine here's to a good Xmas!

I was right coughing and sneezing has set of tge aching and my back pain Sad