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MMR injections

190 replies

Smellen · 12/06/2006 21:14

Please could someone update me on the latest relating to the MMR jabs.

Is it now "safe" to let your baby have them? Is there any advantage/disadvantage to having the single jabs?

Sorry if this is another old chestnut.

OP posts:
Jimjamskeepingoffvaxthreads · 13/06/2006 21:34

I trust certain doctors - my GP for example is very good- but the last locum I saw told me girls couldn't be autistic. I corrected him.

Socci · 13/06/2006 21:36

I also rarely give calpol. sandradee - I can't see your pov because you seem to have come out with a lot of judgemental nonsense and that gets my back up.

sandradee · 13/06/2006 21:54

Sorry if I have offended. I'm not backing down on what I believe but I really don't know any of you and your own families.

a lot of my "judgemental nonsense" comes from discussions with a friend who has chosen not to vaccinate - for reasons that I just can't understand. Unfortunately her second child has been diagnosed with aspergers despite not being vaccinated and even she admits that had she vaccinated she would have blamed this on the MMR.

Let's leave it at this - I really am leaving now since it's Lost soon.

I hope I don't have to change my name to be able to post on mumsnet in the future...and I'm NOT a troll.

Socci · 13/06/2006 21:58

It's fair enough for you to have your opinion but please don't judge everybody by what your friend says and does.

Socci · 13/06/2006 21:59

It's fair enough for you to have your opinion but please don't judge everybody by what your friend says and does.

Socci · 13/06/2006 21:59

It's fair enough for you to have your opinion but please don't judge everybody by what your friend says and does.

Jimjamskeepingoffvaxthreads · 13/06/2006 22:02

The people recognised as being MMR damaged have had extreme reactions, seizures, encephalitis, severe diarrhea not just a mother waking up and deciding that their child must have been MMR damaged. The children Wakefield treated did not have AS they were severely autistic- whether or not AS and severe autism are the same thing gets discussed quite frequently these days. There do appear to be some differences, may people with AS have very high levels of anxiety and often a fsmily history of AS type traits. Regressive autism appears to be associated with a family history of autoimmune conditions and genetic factors leading to problems dealing with toxins such as heavy metals.

Jimjamskeepingoffvaxthreads · 13/06/2006 22:02

The people recognised as being MMR damaged have had extreme reactions, seizures, encephalitis, severe diarrhea not just a mother waking up and deciding that their child must have been MMR damaged. The children Wakefield treated did not have AS they were severely autistic- whether or not AS and severe autism are the same thing gets discussed quite frequently these days. There do appear to be some differences, may people with AS have very high levels of anxiety and often a fsmily history of AS type traits. Regressive autism appears to be associated with a family history of autoimmune conditions and genetic factors leading to problems dealing with toxins such as heavy metals.

Jimjamskeepingoffvaxthreads · 13/06/2006 22:14

Of course you don't have to change your name to post. Probably the majority of mumsnetters agree with you for starters!

TooTicky · 14/06/2006 11:16

Just in case this thread is still at all active, may I state for the record that we do not use calpol, paracetamol or antibiotics.

niceglasses · 14/06/2006 11:17

Just been discussion on Womens Hour R4 re this and new jab at 9months?? Anyway, you should be able to hear it again via the web site.

amyjade · 14/06/2006 11:47

What new jab at 9 months?

niceglasses · 14/06/2006 11:58

Only caught end of it so can't say for certain, but seems they are talking about a new jab at 9mnths, then another booster, not sure when. Best to listen to the whole thing though.

lemonice · 14/06/2006 12:01

interesting to read about measles..i think it is confusing when information is given about world wide situation/statistics when it is quite different in the UK/western europe

spidermama · 14/06/2006 12:21

\link{http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/womanshour/\Woman's Hour}. I'm about to listen to this but first have to brace myself.

ruty · 14/06/2006 14:17

I couldn't bear to read the whole thread as i have been here so many times so forgive me, but just wanted to correct two pieces of misinformation stated by ananyamum and sandradee respectively. Ananyamum says the one piece of evidence against MMR has been discredited 'over and over'. the cochrane report, which came out recently and was spun by the media as final confirmation that MMR was safe, actually concluded that the evidence before and against MMR was woeful and inconclusive and more research needed to be done to PROVE IT WAS SAFE. the boy who died of measles recently WOULD have had the jab, they would have given it to him despite his condition, but he slipped through the net due to the travelling status of his family. He was also on powerful immunosuppresants, which would stop his immune system fighting disease properly. Funnily enough, this was mentioned in the first BBC report and then left out of all following news.

MMR is most likely safe for the vast majority. It may not be safe for all [have stated risk factors here until I am blue in the face] and more research needs to be done. That is the real truth of it. Forgive me if i am repeating stuff that has already been said here.

ruty · 14/06/2006 14:19

ordinary GPs know very little about vaccinations IME.

sandradee · 14/06/2006 14:33

so ruty do you vaccinate your children (genuine question)

have you ever been anywhere on holiday that requires vaccinations and if so have you had them and given them to your children?

If you had to live abroad because your partner's job (or your job for that matter) took you abroad and you needed to have jabs (eg yellow fever - you can't get into West Africa without a certificate to say you have been vaccinated - and yes babies under 6 months cant have it) what would you do? Would you not take your kids or would you stay at home with your kids or would you not take the job?

Sorry but where do you all draw the line

lanismum · 14/06/2006 16:04

sandradee, not meaning to be rude, but if ruty has/hasnt vaccinated her children, what business is it of yours? im certain people that choose not to vaccinate their children do so for very valid reasons/beliefs, and very few people would imply you had done something wrong for choosing to vaccinate your children, yet that seems to be what you are doing to the people that have chosen not to.

zippitippitoes · 14/06/2006 16:15

I think the argument changes completely if you are talking about countries outside of europe, so I would weigh up the circumstances accordingly..a lot more then vaccination would be up for consideration if taking a young family to western africa from the uk

niceglasses · 14/06/2006 16:15

Sorry Ianisnmum and I don't mean to be rude either, honest, but its not as easy as that is it. Of course I'm not really interested in wether Ruty has/hasn't vaccinated, but if absolutely everyone choose not to vaccinate wouldn't we be left without the 'herd' protection which seems to be so important.

Not an expert by any means, and I know the pple who post on these threads all have genuine, cast iron and often heart rendering reasons to NOT vaccinate, but am just making the point that there has to be a level of vaccination for protection.

amyjade · 14/06/2006 16:21

My Dd2 has had every vaccine available due to the fact Dd1 died from Pneumococcal meningitis a preventable disease for which there is a vaccine but at the time was only available on request and for 'at risk' children which i obviously didn't know about.
Dd2 will be having her MMR without a doubt she is even having the new Hib/MenC combined booster next week. Due to my circumstances i would give my children all the vaccines because if i'd known the Pneumococcal vaccine(prevenar) existed 14 months ago then my Dd2 would have her big sister and i would still have my daughter.
The fear of Dd2 contracting any disease from Meningitis to Measles scares me to death i could never run the risk of just 'hoping' my child doesn't catch one of these diseases.
I agree that in certain circumstances as in Jimjams case then i would also think twice about the MMR but for the majority of the population there is no reason why your child should not have all the vaccinations.

sandradee · 14/06/2006 16:59

Amyjade, I'm so sorry for your loss.

Lanismum, I'm interested becasue I can't work out from her comment "MMR is most likely safe for the vast majority. It may not be safe for all".

I'm just interested that's all.

With regards to going abroad - why is that any different. It's certainly not different if that is where you live and if you do live in West Africa then it is a real consideration. All I'm trying to do is make the point that why should we be selective in soem situations and not in others. I think it's just a bit hypocritical, that's all.

Socci · 14/06/2006 17:13

amyjade - the problem is that you cannot know which children are vulnerable. How can you know who "the majority of the population" are? And what if you happen to disagree with the theory behind vaccination as a means to disease prevention?

zippitippitoes · 14/06/2006 17:16

almost every decision you make is different if you live in a particular country, so of course it makes a difference..the pros and cons are different

if you expereince a serious adverse reaction to mmr with a child then it sure as anything makes you look into the pros and cons for your situation and your family

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