How long till everybody forgets how venal the Tories are?

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...and vote them back in to screw us all over again? Five years, or ten?

The Tory party are masters of image re-invention and manipulation of public discourse, and clearly a lot of people are stupid. But are they really REALLY stupid (5) or just really stupid (10)?

Can you quote anyone who has said that?

No you cannot, in fact its the opposite, with many Labour supporters saying Reeves has gone too far.

But due to the last 14 years of economic mayhem and Camerons disasterous Brexit, the UK cannot afford to give anyone who is relatively wealthy, tax payers money.

Interesting verification of who is lying at the moment:

That doesn’t bear anyone out!

Stop grasping.

@Rummly , you are funny, why do you think I’m grasping! Just sharing for our information. It’s not really about winning or losing on an internet thread is it? surely it’s just about us trying to understand who we can trust.

So Hunt says "Reeves should have known about the state of the public finances..."
But the OBR says "some of this wasn't known about until last week"

But the bottom line is Hunt was in charge of the nation's purse strings, he has left the country in a mess by his own admission.

there is only one person grasping here and its Jeremy Hunt.

I'm the Tories were actively hiding financial ticking time bombs set to go off after the election. How done they called the election so early when everyone was expecting it to be in the autumn.

Well it's true some of it wasn't know about until last week, because the Government hadn't made the decision to spend an unfunded £10 billion on public sector pay rises until last week... The same government that wasn't going to make unfunded spending commitments only a few weeks before.

And now they've opened the flood gates the GPs want more, the BMA is coming back for more in 12 months, the RMT will want more to end the strikes now they are being nationalised, and then we will be back into the next round of public sector pay reviews. And so the merry-go-round will continue. None of our politicans of any colour have the faintest idea how to negotiate. The last government tried the 'stick your head in the sand' and hope it goes away approach. It didn't. This goverenment is using the 'give them what they want' and hope they go away approach. They won't. None of them could run a stall at a car boot sale 😂

@CheatingMenz yes that’s right. They knew that train was coming on down the track and wanted to get out of the way so they could blame someone else!

This pensioner won’t. 🤷‍♀️

There is no point having a Pay Review body but then ignoring its recommendations.
The Unions would just pull out of them.

The J/Doc's settlement is less than 1 billion, after tax etc taken into account and is over 2 years, alternative is Doc's and other AHPs leave the NHS and waiting lists grow ever longer....

The pay rises are unfunded because Hunt, even though he knew they would be reporting, decided to not fund them, hence Reeves having to find the money, she isn't responsible for this, Hunt is, together with his NI cuts of £21 billion.

Good news is the interest rate cut has lowered govt borrowing costs, so she has a little more headroom now.