How long till everybody forgets how venal the Tories are?

[dropoutin]

...and vote them back in to screw us all over again? Five years, or ten?

The Tory party are masters of image re-invention and manipulation of public discourse, and clearly a lot of people are stupid. But are they really REALLY stupid (5) or just really stupid (10)?

Angela Rayner also said 'Labour will protect 'triple-lock' on state pensions, maintain the Winter Fuel Allowance & free bus passes for pensioners.'

Hypocrites. It’s really awful thinking that people voted Labour to stand up for vulnerable people and then, with no warning, they do this. To people on a low, fixed budget income.

When conservative govt says one thing and does another = evil venal humans

when Labour govt say one thing and does another = circumstances have change and it’s not our fault it the evil Tories

when economy and debt spirals after global disaster (financial crash) during a Labour govt = there is nothing they could have done, it’s a global events. It’s not their fault they relaxed / got rid of all laws and regulations in order to ‘simulate growth’ (gosh that sounds familiar - get rid of regulations to promote growth??)

when economy and debt spirals after a global disaster that actually shuts the world down for two years during a conservative govt = it’s all the Tories fault because they are evil

when the Labour govt saddle the country with billions of debt stretching over decades through PFI (gosh that sounds familiar a private / public fund to pay for stuff) that has been proven to benefit their donors and political allies whilst delivering some of the biggest scandals in the country’s history (horizon, RAAC) = oh they didn’t mean it/didn’t know and it’s all the civil service /nasty private companies fault

when a conservative govt waste millions in an unprecedented global catastrophe trying to source PPE and get track and trace etc and give the contracts to private companies and a tiny % turn out to be crooks / liars = the Tories are evil and venal and only out for themselves

The delusion of the Labour supporter literally knows no bounds

‘We will not increase taxes’ said Sir Keir
’ I think I will have to increase taxes’ said Rachel Reeves.
And so it begins.

So labour have only had 13 years in 50...so that would suggest that it's the Tories that have failed the most. During Labour last time there were no food backs, we had sure start and the NHS was working...as someone older that you I remember the Thatcher years and the decimation of communities and welfare state....thanks to the last lot we have lost all freedoms in Europe too!

I would like to point out that absolutely nothing in my OP expressed any support for the Labour party, who I no longer support in its current incarnation, and didn't vote for.

But, "Tories? Venal? Oooooooh, look over there!!!" 😀

Absolutely, I agree with you and also trust ML.

Doesn’t it just.

While stuffing the most vulnerable, in winter, fgs.

The labour supporters are very quiet about stitching up pensioners. If the Tories had done this, can you imagine? My rather vain hopes of a fair Government didn’t last long. I’d be embarrassed to take that rise in these circumstances.

Scans well enough for me, I’ll remember it!

Then don’t pay it to well off pensioners. But there are far far more pensioners without these mythical huge private pensions and multi-million pound houses.

You would think that would be a labour way of thinking , wouldn’t you? Not going for the weakest on day one. I agree with you, plus you sound lovely.

My dm gets state pension plus half my dead father's pension, which really isn't very much, definitely less than £150 a month.
She doesn't qualify for pension credits, so will therefore lose the fuel allowance.
Last winter she had the heating on for an hour in the morning and an hour in the evening, I'm guessing she won't be having it on at all this winter 😭

I hate the way Labour pitch themselves as the people's party. They really, really aren't. Never have been, never will be.

I thought it was interesting that RR said theres a 20 billion black hole, public sector payrises are going to cost ten billion. Did she just make half of the black hole herself?

A lot of the statements are just politics, the civil service had to sign off the accounts, so is she saying they got it wrong? The information is there and they had access to it. They are setting up a narrative to do what they think they need to do. Tories would have done the same tbf.

I do think the winter fuel payments thing is a big mistake, it should be means tested but for people who have only a state pension to rely on this is brutal. We probably do have to have a conversation about means testing state pensions at some point. If you are getting 40k from a private pension or public sector pension then it is reasonable to withdraw the state pension. No-one I know has ever accused me of being a leftie but we have to be reasonable about what is affordable. That shouldn’t mean pushing people who can no longer work because of age into poverty.

1000% this

Well you could argue that, but my fit and able not terribly well paid ds could get a second part time job to pay for heating if he was freezing. He sure as hell wouldn’t want to, but he could.
But a frail 80 plus? Sure.
They won’t be buying homes under a Labour government either.

I’m truly horrified they did this. Make it means tested. Still, someone has to lose out to pay the doctors.

On the news as I’m reading your post -

‘Reeves warns Budget will raise taxes as row over £22bn fiscal hole deepens.’

The economy and debt spiralled under the Tories long before the pandemic. And then they managed to Brexit on top of the damage that they’d already done to it.

And the public sector wouldn’t need such big payrises if they hadn’t been receiving real terms pay cuts for most of the last 14 years. At some point that was always going to have to be made up. Especially since the same isn’t true of private sector wages.

A poster thinking about vulnerable people and willing to put her money where her mouth is and you say “it’s not just about you”. Wow.

Well I won't be surprised. I never believed in this Labour. I feel sorry for people that did and still do.

Ah oh this is so true. I’m a floating voter (centrist) so don’t have tribal motivation but it’s so very true.

I was vaguely hopeful they would be the people’s party. Didn’t take long to realise they’re just as hypocritical as always.

Have you considered getting therapy?
It is a very unhealthy way to live your life.

The winter fuel allowance has been taken away from every pensioner with an income of more than around £11k a year. And that money used to fund a 20% pay rise for doctors. Well off pensioners (the minority) won’t notice; the rest of them - millions - will be pushed further into poverty.