AIBU to be glad that Jeremy Corbyn won his seat?...

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...even though I'm not remotely left wing? I think he was treated appallingly by the Labour Party.

He failed to achieve anything close.

What? His vote share was much higher in 2017 than Labour's share in this election. Way more seats this time, yes. But, clearly there's not much enthusiasm for Starmer's Labour. People just wanted the Tories out, and the right-wing voted was split by Reform.
Even Starmer's own majority in his constituency was lower this time than in 2019. The left (myself included) have been voting Green or Independent in droves. The Labour vote share in Wales is even lower than in 2019, let alone 2017.

The left (myself included) have been voting Green or Independent in droves.

Yes, because Owen Jones told you it was ok to do so because Labour were guaranteed a win anyway.

It had nothing to do with Owen Jones! I form my own opinions and make my own decisions.
Clearly Labour were going to win. So I was free to vote Green. Obviously that was the case. But I couldn't have voted for Starmer's Labour anyway. My vote, my choice. Not sure what your point is tbh?

And yet, Starmer has achieved what Corbyn failed to do twice, once with the gates left wide open by May: win enough seats to form government.

It doesn’t matter how many votes you’ve got in safe Labour seats. You’re still sitting on the wrong side of the benches, achieving very little and influencing nothing.

No, they got a slightly higher share of a lower turnout. But it’s irrelevant because we don’t elect in vote share. You have to come first in constituencies. Labour this time has a strategy and discipline and managed to come first in a lot of constituencies instead of first in some and second in a lot of others.

Sorry, but it’s pretty convenient of you to tell me I’m ‘grotesquely’ wrong but then say it’s pointless discussing further.

We are discussing on a forum, you are discussing this topic by posting about it? Do you just mean pointless because you aren’t prepared to listen to anyone else or pointless because you don’t really possess anything more than flimsy prejudices that are not up to even the most minor probing? It appears you are right.

You call me ‘wrong’ and ‘grotesque’ although it is unclear what it is that has warranted that, or what I have said that is factually inaccurate.

Interesting that all these people denying JCs roots in anti semitism are using words to describe those who do take issue with it like ‘grotesque’ and ‘crawling out or the woodwork’. You can barely conceal what it is you’re really thinking.

^^This.

That's not true. In 2017 Labour got 40% of the vote share. This time they got 34% of the vote share for a lower turnout. Far fewer votes overall.

He is one of the few decent politicians around. He has integrity. Even if I don’t agree with what he says some of the time.

I'm pleased too. I'm a Tory, he has the potential to cause trouble for Starmer. Bring it on.

Labour had a smaller vote share, in part, because of the huge amount of tactical voting that took place.

The Lib Dems went from 8 seats to 71 because some Labour voters lent them votes (plus Ed Davey's bungee jumping).

you lot bleating on about fucking vote share when Starmer has a 400+ majority sum up why useless JC lost.

but don’t worry, I am sure you are PROPER lefties

Yeah, but he didn’t win enough seats to form Government. So he lost, and Labour spent 5 more years on the wrong side of the benches. Corbyn summed up in a nutshell; he “won” but achieved nothing. He was a totally useless and ineffective leader.

There’s no point to having large majorities in safe Labour seats (as Corbyn did) if you can’t convince enough voters in marginal seats to win them.

Starmer ran a tactical campaign to maximise seats won; there’s no point preaching to the converted in a short 6 week campaign. He got the job done, something Corbyn has never even come close to.

Are you being paid or are you voluntarily being a Putin mouthpiece?

Well put!

You do realise that the Guardian is antisemitic don't you? It never has a good word to say for Jewish people in general.

Corbyn can't bring trouble for Starmer, unless of course his Momentum pals decide to stab Keir in the back. Won't get them anywhere as you rightly surmise the Tories will only gain from that. However, I suggest Tories watch their backs too. Nigel is on the rampage now he's finally won his seat.

Hardly, (I’m sorry, but this is such heavy nonsense I’ve got no intention of discussing it with you either) but if you have a look at the link it’s an open letter signed by lots of academics and the like, it’s not a guardian op Ed

and the point of my post was that Chomsky says the allegations of antisemitism against Corbyn without merit. that carries a lot of weight in my book.

Noam Chomsky is an American professor so I'm pretty sure he wasn't on the internet listening to the Chair of Liverpool Wavertree CLP who proposed the vote of no-confidence in Luciana Berger go on a David Icke sponsored radio show and spout conspiracy theories about the Rothschilds.

But I did.

There was certainly tactical voting for the Lib Dems. But, it also worked in reverse - people tactically voting Labour in seats where the Lib Dems or Greens didn't stand a chance. Loads of would-be Green voters voted Labour. I personally know some. It probably evens out.
People just wanted the Tories out, and voted for whoever could deliver that where they lived.
Tactical voting is nothing new. It worked more this time partly because the Tory vote had completely collapsed, and loads on the right voted Reform, splitting the Tory vote.
It's so obvious that ideologically speaking, this was a Tory defeat rather than a Labour victory. I mean it was a Labour victory, but kind of by default.

Chomsky is one of the worst antisemites you can quote.

The best PM we never had.

In what way is Chomsky an antisemite?

I'm not here to educate you.